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« on: 28 August 2003, 8:17:00 AM » |
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And I genuflect and make the sign of the cross at the mere mention of his name. Oddly enough no boy band guitarist made. Here's an editorial by some chap with a blemished past and present. Jimi Hendrix: The Greatest Guitarist of All Time The bridge between the blues and modern sounds By Pete Townshend I feel sad for people who have to judge Jimi Hendrix on the basis of recordings and film alone, because in the flesh he was so extraordinary. He had a kind of alchemist's ability; when he was on the stage, he changed. He physically changed. He became incredibly graceful and beautiful. It wasn't just people taking LSD, though that was going on, there's no question. But he had a power that almost sobered you up if you were on an acid trip. He was bigger than LSD. What he played was ****ing loud but also incredibly lyrical and expert. He managed to build this bridge between true blues guitar -- the kind that Eric Clapton had been battling with for years and years -- and modern sounds, the kind of Syd Barrett-meets-Townshend sound, the wall of screaming guitar sound that U2 popularized. He brought the two together brilliantly. And it was supported by a visual magic that obviously you won't get if you just listen to the music. He did this thing where he would play a chord, and then he would sweep his left hand through the air in a curve, and it would almost take you away from the idea that there was a guitar player here and that the music was actually coming out of the end of his fingers. And then people say, "Well, you were obviously on drugs." But I wasn't, and I wasn't drunk, either. I can just remember being taken over by this, and the images he was producing or evoking were naturally psychedelic in tone because we were surrounded by psychedelic graphics. All of the images that were around us at the time had this kind of echoey, acidy quality to them. The lighting in all the clubs was psychedelic and drippy. He was dusty -- he had cobwebs and dust all over him. He was a very unremarkable-looking guy with an old military jacket on that was pretty dirty. It looked like he'd maybe slept in it a few nights running. When he would walk toward the stage, nobody would really take much notice of him. But when he walked off, I saw him walk up to some of the most covetable women in the world. Hendrix would snap his fingers, and they followed him. Onstage, he was very erotic as well. To a man watching, he was erotic like Mick Jagger is erotic. It wasn't "You know, I'd like to take that guy in the bathroom and **** him." It was a high form of eroticism, almost spiritual in quality. There was a sense of wanting to possess him and wanting to be a part of him, to know how he did what he did because he was so powerfully affecting. Johnny Rotten did it, Kurt Cobain did it. As a man, you wanted to be a part of Johnny Rotten's gang, you wanted to be a part of Kurt Cobain's gang. He was shy and kind and sweet, and he was ****ed up and insecure. If you were as lucky as I was, you'd spend a few hours with him after a gig and watch him descend out of this incredibly colorful, energized face. There was also something quite sad about watching him. There was a hedonism about him. Toward the end of his life, he seemed to be having fun, but maybe a little bit too much. It was happening to a lot of people, but it was sad to see it happen to him. With Jimi, I didn't have any envy. I never had any sense that I could ever come close. I remember feeling quite sorry for Eric, who thought that he might actually be able to emulate Jimi. I also felt sorry that he should think that he needed to. Because I thought Eric was wonderful anyway. Perhaps I make assumptions here that I shouldn't, but it's true. Once -- I think it was at a gig Jimi played at the Scotch of St. James [in London] -- Eric and I found ourselves holding each other's hands. You know, what we were watching was so profoundly powerful. The third or fourth time that I saw him, he was supporting the Who at the Saville Theatre. That was the first time I saw him set his guitar on fire. It didn't do very much. He poured lighter fluid over the guitar and set fire to it, and then the next day he would be playing with a guitar that was a little bit charred. In fact, I remember teasing him, saying, "That's not good enough -- you need a proper flame-thrower, it needs to be completely destroyed." We started getting into an argument about destroying your guitar -- if you're going to do it, you have to do it properly. You have to break every little piece of the guitar, and then you have to give it away so it can't be rebuilt. Only that is proper breaking your guitar. He was looking at me like I was ****ing mad. Trying to work out how he affected me at my ground zero, the fact is that I felt like I was robbed. I felt the Who were in some ways quite a silly little group, that they were indeed my art-school installation. They were constructed ideas and images and some cool little pop songs. Some of the music was good, but a lot of what the Who did was very tongue-in-cheek, or we reserved the right to pretend it was tongue-in-cheek if the audience laughed at it. The Who would always look like we didn't really mean it, like it didn't really matter. You know, you smash a guitar, you walk off and go, "**** it all. It's all a load of tripe anyway." That really was the beginning of that punk consciousness. And Jimi arrived with proper music. He made the electric guitar beautiful. It had always been dangerous, it had always been able to evoke anger. If you go right back to the beginning of it, John Lee Hooker shoving a microphone into his guitar back in the 1940s, it made his guitar sound angry, impetuous, and dangerous. The guitar players who worked through the Fifties and with the early rock artists - James Burton, who worked with Ricky Nelson and the Everly Brothers, Steve Cropper with Booker T. -- these Nashville-influenced players had a steely, flick-knife sound, really kind of spiky compared to the beautiful sound of the six-string acoustic being played in the background. In those great early Elvis songs, you hear Elvis himself playing guitar on songs like "Hound Dog," and then you hear an electric guitar come in, and it's not a pleasant sound. Early blues players, too -- Muddy Waters, Buddy Guy, Albert King -- they did it to hurt your ears. Jimi made it beautiful and made it OK to make it beautiful. (From RS 931, September 18, 2003)
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« Reply #1 on: 28 August 2003, 8:19:00 AM » |
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Jimi's followers in Rolling Stone Magazine's top 100 guitarists. Do you think they left anyone out. I think Jose Feliciano deserves a mention (seriously). 2 Duane Allman of the Allman Brothers Band 3 B.B. King 4 Eric Clapton 5 Robert Johnson 6 Chuck Berry 7 Stevie Ray Vaughan 8 Ry Cooder 9 Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin 10 Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones 11Kirk Hammett of Metallica 12 Kurt Cobain of Nirvana 13 Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead 14 Jeff Beck 15 Carlos Santana 16 Johnny Ramone of the Ramones 17 Jack White of the White Stripes 18 John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers 19 Richard Thompson 20 James Burton 21 George Harrison 22 Mike Bloomfield 23 Warren Haynes 24 The Edge of U2 25 Freddy King 26 Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave 27 Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits 28 Stephen Stills 29 Ron Asheton of the Stooges 30 Buddy Guy 31 Dick Dale 32 John Cipollina of Quicksilver Messenger Service 33 & 34 Lee Ranaldo, Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth 35 John Fahey 36 Steve Cropper of Booker T. and the MG's 37 Bod Diddley 38 Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac 39 Brian May of Qeen 40 John Fogerty of Creedence Clearwater Revival 41 Clarence White of the Byrds 42 Robert Fripp of King Crimson 43 Eddie Hazel of Funkadelic 44 Scotty Moore 45 Frank Zappa 46 Les Paul 47 T-Bone Walker 48 Joe Perry of Aerosmith 49 John McLaughlin 50 Pete Townshend 51 Paul Kossoff of Free 52 Lou Reed 53 Mickey Baker 54 Jorma Kaukonen of Jefferson Airplane 55 Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple 56 Tom Verlaine of Television 57 Roy Buchanan 58 Dickey Betts 59 & 60 Jonny Greenwood, Ed O'Brien of Radiohead 61 Ike Turner 62 Zoot Horn Rollo of the Magic Band 63 Danny Gatton 64 Mick Ronson 65 Hubert Sumlin 66 Vernon Reid of Living Colour 67 Link Wray 68 Jerry Miller of Moby Grape 69 Steve Howe of Yes 70 Eddie Van Halen 71 Lightnin' Hopkins 72 Joni Mitchell 73 Trey Anastasio of Phish 74 Johnny Winter 75 Adam Jones of Tool 76 Ali Farka Toure 77 Henry Vestine of Canned Heat 78 Robbie Robertson of the Band 79 Cliff Gallup of the Blue Caps (1997) 80 Robert Quine of the Voidoids 81 Derek Trucks 82 David Gilmour of Pink Floyd 83 Neil Young 84 Eddie Cochran 85 Randy Rhoads 86 Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath 87 Joan Jett 88 Dave Davies of the Kinks 89 D. Boon of the Minutemen 90 Glen Buxton of Alice Cooper 91 Robby Krieger of the Doors 92 & 93 Fred "Sonic" Smith, Wayne Kramer of the MC5 94 Bert Jansch 95 Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine 96 Angus Young of AC/DC 97 Robert Randolph 98 Leigh Stephens of Blue Cheer 99 Greg Ginn of Black Flag 100 Kim Thayil of Soundgarden
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« Reply #2 on: 28 August 2003, 8:46:00 AM » |
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Rolling Stone BS. How can any list leave out one of the very few who can actually transcribe Frank Zappa: Steve Vai and his teacher: Joe Satriani and of course that great innovator of space rock: Syd Barratt But Joan Jett Puleeze .. music journalists really don't know d*ck. [This message has been edited by hp sauce (edited 28-08-2003).] [This message has been edited by hp sauce (edited 28-08-2003).]
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« Reply #3 on: 28 August 2003, 9:18:00 AM » |
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How could any credible list leave out Sir Paul McCartney as well?
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« Reply #4 on: 28 August 2003, 9:24:00 AM » |
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By the way, I wrote the above very much in jest.
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« Reply #5 on: 28 August 2003, 9:51:00 AM » |
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A list compiled by someone who doesn't really know anything about rock guitarists... Tom Morello?! Vernon Reid?! I agree they missed Satriani & Vai, but also Eric Johnson, Randy Rhodes, Ed King (Skynard) & Ted Nugent to name a few. And not even Alvin Lee? Yep, they don't know d*ck...
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« Reply #6 on: 28 August 2003, 10:07:00 AM » |
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Well, I am a true Hendrix fan, followed by Carlos Santana, Les Paul, and one not on the list, Andres Segovia.
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« Reply #7 on: 28 August 2003, 10:21:00 AM » |
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Agree with some of above replies. One other that came to my mind (hope I did not misread the list), showing my musical bias: Mick Jones of the Clash.
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« Reply #8 on: 28 August 2003, 10:38:00 AM » |
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Oh about Paul (don't know how I forgot that, listening to Beatles now) - - I don't think they are including Bass. Not sure if he played guitar in Wings, etc, but that work does not seem to be worthy of guitar mention (though i like some of that stuff).
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« Reply #9 on: 28 August 2003, 10:40:00 AM » |
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Suprised & glad to see Duane Allman got his due. He was the one of greatest guitar players ever & just like Hendrix died at a very young age but not from drugs but in a motorcycle accident. His most famous non Allman Brothers collaboration, the Layla album where he & Eric Clapton traded lead licks introduced Duane to a much larger audience On his last Album Push-Push with Herbie Mann we were just beginning to see his jazz capabilites & then a few monthes later he was gone. A true tragedy
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« Reply #10 on: 28 August 2003, 10:42:00 AM » |
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no johnny mar either, surprisingly.
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« Reply #11 on: 28 August 2003, 11:05:00 AM » |
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Jerry Garcia behind Kurt Cobain. You have got be f$$%%g joking. Paul McCartney? You guys must be havin' a laugh. Pual is a great muscian and song writer, but he is not one of the greats when it comes to strumming the guitar. While my guitar gently weeps... Les Paul at # 46? Just because he isn't in the mainstream? I'd like to see the guys on that list rank the top 100. Next year they'll probably put one of the Back Street Boys in the top 100.
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« Reply #12 on: 28 August 2003, 11:14:00 AM » |
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What a load of bollocks..... No Johnson/Vai/Satriani but plenty of people that were influenced or taught by them (Hammett/Morrello etc). No Lukather? He's only played on just about every record ever made (including many by people listed here) Loads of players missing at the expense of 3 chord thrashers. I'm sorry but as good a songwriter as Cobain was, he was never a great guitar player. Someone as influential as Van Halen at number 70 while players that ripped off his techniques are peppered throughout the top 50? Jazz/fusion/classical/etc etc.....missing. Wes Montgomery Django Reinhardt Larry Carlton etc etc But those names dont sell magazines do they...... Complete tripe.
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« Reply #13 on: 28 August 2003, 11:39:00 AM » |
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How about Spanish guitar legend Julian Bream? True lovers of the six string should pick up this guys classical guitar albums. One word, probably spelled wrong, but one word, MESMORISING. I agree, a total load of crap.
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« Reply #14 on: 28 August 2003, 12:21:00 PM » |
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> the axeman commeth good call. Django ... duh he was the Hendrix of the 30s / 40s inventing new guitar styles / technique. Jeez the guy only had three working fingers on his LH. also missing Larry Coryell Pat Methany Al Dimeola Frank Marino (Mahogany Rush) and possibly 2nd greatest jazz guitarist of all time Joe Pass ??
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« Reply #15 on: 28 August 2003, 12:24:00 PM » |
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....? No Alex Lifeson ?? Sacrilege!
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« Reply #16 on: 28 August 2003, 12:28:00 PM » |
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What the heck is Ike Turner doing in there ? Curtis Mayfield deserves a placing better than him. At least he jammed with The Man (Hendrix) in the late 60s. Peter Frampton and Steve Marriott ? I think we should do our own Top 100. That would please the Kazaa downloaders and give 'em so ideas
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« Reply #17 on: 28 August 2003, 12:52:00 PM » |
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Yeah but Rolling Stone's list for this 100 was about kickass rock and roll. If it was about jazz guitarists etc they'd have to include others. I think they left out that guitarist from Steely Dan.
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« Reply #18 on: 28 August 2003, 13:06:00 PM » |
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How about the man that invented the electric guitar Charlie Christian He rocked!
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« Reply #19 on: 28 August 2003, 13:10:00 PM » |
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I think they left out the man who influenced Mark Knopfler - Hank Marvin of the Shadows.
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« Reply #20 on: 28 August 2003, 14:28:00 PM » |
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I knew that Guitar magazine had done a similar list recently so went serching for it. May not be my 100 but still it's a much better list than the rolling stone one... 1. Jimi Hendrix 2. Jeff Beck 3. B.B. King 4. Jimmy Page 5. Allan Holdsworth 6. Eddie Van Halen 7. Pat Metheny 8. Eric Clapton 9. Chuck Berry 10. T-Bone Walker 11. Stevie Ray Vaughan 12. Keith Richards 13. Pete Townshend 14. Robert Johnson 15. Charlie Christian 16. Peter Green 17. Steve Cropper 18. Richard Thompson 19. Steve Vai 20. Tony Iommi 21. Neil Young 22. Buddy Guy 23. Jimmy Nolan 24. George Harrison 25. Randy Rhoads 26. Robert Fripp 27. Les Paul 28. Wes Montgomery 29. Johnny Ramone 30. Prince 31. John McLaughlin 32. Elmore James 33. Frank Zappa 34. Freddie King 35. Jerry Garcia 36. Duane Allman 37. Thurston Moore 38. Syd Barrett 39. Nile Rodgers 40. Roger McGuinn 41. Kurt Cobain 42. Clarence White 43. John Fahey 44. Billy Gibbons 45. Joe Satriani 46. Carlos Santana 47. Michael Hedges 48. The Edge 49. Tal Farlow 50. David Gilmore 51. Eddie Lang 52. Andy Summers 53. Jim Hall 54. Ron Asherton 55. Dimebag Darrell 56. Mick Ronson 57. Eddie Jones 58. Curtis Mayfield 59. Ike Turner 60. Loe Kottke 61. Albert King 62. Muddy Waters 63. James Blood Ulmer 64. Merle Travis 65. Joe Pass 66. Ry Cooder 67. Derek Bailey 68. Chet Atkins 69. Dick Dale 70. Charley Patton 71. Johnny Marr 72. Carl Perkins 73. Doc Watson 74. Joni Mitchell 75. J Mascis 76. Yngwie Malmsteen 77. Mark Knopfler 78. Bert Jansch 79. Lowell George 80. Robert Lockwood Jr. 81. Link Wray 82. Angus Young 83. Adrian Legg 84. Nick Drake 85. Bo Diddley 86. Bob Mould 87. Kirk Hammett 88. Adrian Smith 89. Mike Stern 90. Kevin Shields 91. Steve Howe 92. Jorma Kaukonen 93. Eric Johnson 94. Steve Morse 95. Ricky Skaggs 96. Stanley Jordan 97. Jeff Hannerman 98. Vernon Reid 99. Wayne Kramer 100. Ritchie Blackmore
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« Reply #21 on: 28 August 2003, 15:50:00 PM » |
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>axeman Yep. You got it. Clearly a better standard of music journalism there. No problem with that list. And thanks. Kazaa .. chocks away !
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« Reply #23 on: 28 August 2003, 20:05:00 PM » |
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Guitar Magazine's top 100 still sucks 'cos they left out Hank Marvin!!!
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« Reply #24 on: 28 August 2003, 20:11:00 PM » |
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Alvin Lee (Ten Years After), how can they miss him  Woodstock..... I think I'm going home now !
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« Reply #25 on: 28 August 2003, 20:17:00 PM » |
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You listen J.J.Cale from the 70's and you hear where Mark Knopfler got his inspiration.
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« Reply #26 on: 28 August 2003, 21:16:00 PM » |
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No YOU listen to Mark Knopfler's interview and he'll tell you it's Hank Marvin. J.J. Cale used to wipe his bum with Eric Clapton's lyrics. Clapton was never God except in some dope-addled fan's minds. Cale was a better guitarist anyday.
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« Reply #28 on: 29 August 2003, 15:46:00 PM » |
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So how does Bonnie Raitt, rate? I thought she was supposed to be one of the best female guitarists in the world. Has she been overlooked completely? I do feel Santana has been under-rated and Al di Miola also deserves a spot there as someone said. Never easy to do a list everyone agrees with but......nice try!
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« Reply #29 on: 30 August 2003, 23:46:00 PM » |
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Steve Lukather is the man. Check out the discography here: http://www.stevelukather.net/ WHat about Larry Carlton and Lee Ritenour?
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