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« on: 27 February 2004, 22:59:00 pm »
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hi!
I have a four month old son. I have a feeling that he is getting really curious of trying to eat something else but breast milk. He always looks very concentrated on us when we are eating, and you can see how he forms his mouth also wanting to try.

Well, I heard different recommendation when to start giving small taste portions for babys. When did you start, and do you have any favourites?

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« Reply #1 on: 28 February 2004, 1:07:00 am »
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it was a few years ago now, but I used to buy dried baby porridge type stuff and mix it with baby milk as a first food.  Also we were told to mash small amounts of soft fruit like banana with the milk at 4 months and try that, but there was some sort of debate going on about whether bananas were not suitable until 6 months by the time I had my second child (not sure about what the thoughts are on this now, but my first ate them and no harm ever came to her!).  

You can buy dried mixes of food for babies to make up yourself, or just blend bland foods into a puree and try them.  It's very much touch and go, as some kids will lap it up and others will pull faces and squirm away.  Eventually you'll find things that he likes to eat.

At 4 months, if my memory serves me correctly, they only need about 2 teaspoons of food each meal along with the milk to make them feel full.  If they are still hungry, they'll let you know!

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« Reply #2 on: 28 February 2004, 6:48:00 am »
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I started with the powdered baby cereals--rice, barley, oat---then added various pureed fruits and vegetables--apple sauce, carrots, peas, and so forth.  Some pediatricians recommend adding each food one at a time and then watching for food allergies.  If you do an internet search, you will come up with a list of foods most likely to cause allergic reactions.  Seems like peanuts and strawberries are near the top of the list, not sure about bananas.  You might want to hold off on some of these foods until the kid gets older.

Jar baby food is very conveniant, but it's not that hard to blend your own.  By 9 months or so I would blend up whatever the rest of the family ate and it seemed to work fine.  I figured it was better to get the kids used to eating what I cooked than what came out of a jar!

A friend of mine would freeze her leftover food in ice cube trays so she could pull out one or two for a meal.  That never worked for me because my kids were hefty eaters.  But kids really vary on this.

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« Reply #3 on: 28 February 2004, 8:47:00 am »
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We're using The Contented Little Baby Book of Weaning by Gina Ford. It's a day by day guide of what to introduce. It also includes theory about the introduction of solids and some recipes. A new food is introduced every 3 days (always at the 11am - noon feed, to see if there's any allergic reaction). It's is a very structured book but that's why we like it so much.

We bought it recently in Times at Centrepoint.

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« Reply #4 on: 01 March 2004, 7:32:00 am »
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My baby started eating 'solids' at about 5 months. Shee too was very interested in what we were eating.

We started her on baby rice cereal mixed with breasymilk. It doesn't look (or taste) that appetising but is easy to mix to a consistency that is right for your baby.

We then moved on to mushy veges (potato, carrot, sweet potato first) and fruits.

Good luck!. Messy but lots of fun!

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« Reply #5 on: 01 March 2004, 8:12:00 am »
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I started both mine on baby rice at around 4 months. I then gradually added pureed food that we were having but AVOIDED salty food. Don't even give pureed veg that has been boiled in salted water as babies can't cope with salt. Jars of baby food have a strange consistency and taste. If you rely on them too much you may find your baby won't accept normal food easily.

Mashed banana is brilliant for baby. Easy to carry around and very tasty. Try to avoid too much bland food as this may make them fussy eaters. They should be being introduced to various tastes and textures as well.

For teething bake bread soldiers in an oven on a really low heat for ages. This makes it really really hard and impossible to bite. Baby can hold it and grind away with his gums and they are getting some taste. They can be kept in an airtight container for as long as you'd keep biscuits.

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« Reply #6 on: 01 March 2004, 13:52:00 pm »
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Go on to the BBC website and search under Food, then Food for Kids, then Babies and you will find very good advice and recipes.
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« Reply #7 on: 02 March 2004, 21:30:00 pm »
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If your baby is doing well on milk now you can wait til 6 months to try solids. If you have any history of allergies in your family, even if it's just exzema or hayfever, then it's a good idea to delay solids til 6 months then be very cautious about what you start with, eg. root veg, baby rice and no dairy, egg, wheat til 1 yr. And leave a few days between new foods to check for any skin or other reactions. My older son (2.5 yrs) has just grown out of allergies to wheat and dairy so I'm extra cautious about introducing solids. My second son (1 yr old) has just been introduced to wheat and dairy and is fine - yippee! It's wonderful to be able to give both of them 'normal' foods (tho they still have to stay off eggs til 2, fish til 3 and nuts til 5 to be on the safe side re avoiding developing new allergies). Good luck! Also, making your own baby food is very easy so give it a go if you can. Try making big batches and freezing them in individual portions. Makes life a lot easier.
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« Reply #8 on: 03 March 2004, 15:32:00 pm »
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Thanks for the advice.
Well, we DO have a lot of allergy in my family. I guess I better wait the sixth month and do it by the book, no wheat etc... it is just that he looks so hungry!
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« Reply #9 on: 03 March 2004, 23:20:00 pm »
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I also recommend taking it slowly with solids. I found 'Super Baby Food' by Ruth Yaron helpful for introducing solids - has great suggestions (even though I would never feed my kid microwaved food)
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« Reply #10 on: 04 March 2004, 7:22:00 am »
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<even though I would never feed my kid microwaved food)>

Why?

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« Reply #11 on: 04 March 2004, 8:00:00 am »
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You might want to get your hands on a very good book "The Parent's Guide to Food Allergies" by Marianne S Barber" since you have a family with many allergies.

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« Reply #12 on: 04 March 2004, 13:44:00 pm »
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Hi,

I wouldn't eat anything microwaved myself, and in restaurants insist that no microwave oven be used for my food either. Some findings from a Russian study, which led to the banning of microwave ovens then:

-Microwaving prepared meats sufficiently to insure sanitary ingestion caused formation of d-Nitrosodienthanolamines, a well-known carcinogen.

-Microwaving milk and cereal grains converted some of their amino acids into carcinogens.

-Thawing frozen fruits converted their glucoside and galactoside containing fractions into carcinogenic substances.

-Extremely short exposure of raw, cooked or frozen vegetables converted their plant alkaloids into carcinogens.

-Carcinogenic free radicals were formed in microwaved plants, especially root vegetables.

-Decrease in nutritional value

Sorry about this long article, but the BM would delete the link.......

Scientific evidence and facts

In Comparative Study of Food Prepared Conventionally and in the Microwave Oven, published by Raum & Zelt in 1992, at 3(2): 43, it states

"A basic hypothesis of natural medicine states that the introduction into the human body of molecules and energies, to which it is not accustomed, is much more likely to cause harm than good. Microwaved food contains both molecules and energies not present in food cooked in the way humans have been cooking food since the discovery of fire. Microwave energy from the sun and other stars is direct current based. Artificially produced microwaves, including those in ovens, are produced from alternating current and force a billion or more polarity reversals per second in every food molecule they hit. Production of unnatural molecules is inevitable. Naturally occurring amino acids have been observed to undergo isomeric changes (changes in shape morphing) as well as transformation into toxic forms, under the impact of microwaves produced in ovens.

One short-term study found significant and disturbing changes in the blood of individuals consuming microwaved milk and vegetables. Eight volunteers ate various combinations of the same foods cooked different ways. All foods that were processed through the microwave ovens caused changes in the blood of the volunteers. Hemoglobin levels decreased and over all white cell levels and cholesterol levels increased. Lymphocytes decreased.

Luminescent (light-emitting) bacteria were employed to detect energetic changes in the blood. Significant increases were found in the luminescence of these bacteria when exposed to blood serum obtained after the consumption of microwaved food."

The Swiss clinical study

Dr. Hans Ulrich Hertel, who is now retired, worked as a food scientist for many years with one of the major Swiss food companies that do business on a global scale. A few years ago, he was fired from his job for questioning certain processing procedures that denatured the food.

In 1991, he and a Lausanne University professor published a research paper indicating that food cooked in microwave ovens could pose a greater risk to health than food cooked by conventional means. An article also appeared in issue 19 of the Journal Franz Weber in which it was stated that the consumption of food cooked in microwave ovens had cancerous effects on the blood. The research paper itself followed the article. On the cover of the magazine there was a picture of the Grim Reaper holding a microwave oven in one of his hands.

Dr. Hertel was the first scientist to conceive and carry out a quality clinical study on the effects microwaved nutrients have on the blood and physiology of the human body. His small but well controlled study showed the degenerative force produced in microwave ovens and the food processed in them. The scientific conclusion showed that microwave cooking changed the nutrients in the food; and, changes took place in the participants' blood that could cause deterioration in the human system. Hertel's scientific study was done along with Dr. Bernard H. Blanc of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology and the University Institute for Biochemistry.

In intervals of two to five days, the volunteers in the study received one of the following food variants on an empty stomach: (1) raw milk; (2) the same milk conventionally cooked; (3) pasteurized milk; (4) the same raw milks cooked in a microwave oven; (5) raw vegetables from an organic farm; (6) the same vegetables cooked conventionally; (7) the same vegetables frozen and defrosted in a microwave oven; and (Cool the same vegetables cooked in the microwave oven. Once the volunteers were isolated, blood samples were taken from every volunteer immediately before eating. Then, blood samples were taken at defined intervals after eating from the above milk or vegetable preparations.

Significant changes were discovered in the blood samples from the intervals following the foods cooked in the microwave oven. These changes included a decrease in all hemoglobin and cholesterol values, especially the ratio of HDL (good cholesterol) and LDL (bad cholesterol) values. Lymphocytes (white blood cells) showed a more distinct short-term decrease following the intake of microwaved food than after the intake of all the other variants. Each of these indicators pointed to degeneration. Additionally, there was a highly significant association between the amount of microwave energy in the test foods and the luminous power of luminescent bacteria exposed to serum from test persons who ate that food. This led Dr. Hertel to the conclusion that such technically derived energies may, indeed, be passed along to man inductively via eating microwaved food.

According to Dr. Hertel,

"Leukocytosis, which cannot be accounted for by normal daily deviations, is taken very seriously by hemotologists. Leukocytes are often signs of pathogenic effects on the living system, such as poisoning and cell damage. The increase of leukocytes with the microwaved foods were more pronounced than with all the other variants. It appears that these marked increases were caused entirely by ingesting the microwaved substances.

This process is based on physical principles and has already been confirmed in the literature. The apparent additional energy exhibited by the luminescent bacteria was merely an extra confirmation. There is extensive scientific literature concerning the hazardous effects of direct microwave radiation on living systems. It is astonishing, therefore, to realize how little effort has been taken to replace this detrimental technique of microwaves with technology more in accordance with nature. Technically produced microwaves are based on the principle of alternating current. Atoms, molecules, and cells hit by this hard electromagnetic radiation are forced to reverse polarity 1-100 billion times a second. There are no atoms, molecules or cells of any organic system able to withstand such a violent, destructive power for any extended period of time, not even in the low energy range of milliwatts.

Of all the natural substances - which are polar - the oxygen of water molecules reacts most sensitively. This is how microwave cooking heat is generated - friction from this violence in water molecules. Structures of molecules are torn apart, molecules are forcefully deformed, called structural isomerism, and thus become impaired in quality. This is contrary to conventional heating of food where heat transfers convectionally from without to within. Cooking by microwaves begins within the cells and molecules where water is present and where the energy is transformed into frictional heat.

In addition to the violent frictional heat effects, called thermic effects, there are also athermic effects which have hardly ever been taken into account. These athermic effects are not presently measurable, but they can also deform the structures of molecules and have qualitative consequences. For example the weakening of cell membranes by microwaves is used in the field of gene altering technology. Because of the force involved, the cells are actually broken, thereby neutralizing the electrical potentials, the very life of the cells, between the outer and inner side of the cell membranes. Impaired cells become easy prey for viruses, fungi and other microorganisms. The natural repair mechanisms are suppressed and cells are forced to adapt to a state of energy emergency - they switch from aerobic to anaerobic respiration. Instead of water and carbon dioxide, the cell poisons hydrogen peroxide and carbon monoxide are produced."

The same violent deformations that occur in our bodies, when we are directly exposed to radar or microwaves, also occur in the molecules of foods cooked in a microwave oven. This radiation results in the destruction and deformation of food molecules. Microwaving also creates new compounds, called radiolytic compounds, which are unknown fusions not found in nature. Radiolytic compounds are created by molecular decomposition - decay - as a direct result of radiation.

Microwave oven manufacturers insist that microwaved and irradiated foods do not have any significantly higher radiolytic compounds than do broiled, baked or other conventionally cooked foods. The scientific clinical evidence presented here has shown that this is simply a lie. In America, neither universities nor the federal government have conducted any tests concerning the effects on our bodies from eating microwaved foods. Isn't that a bit odd? They're more concerned with studies on what happens if the door on a microwave oven doesn't close properly. Once again, common sense tells us that their attention should be centered on what happens to food cooked inside a microwave oven. Since people ingest this altered food, shouldn't there be concern for how the same decayed molecules will affect our own human biological cell structure?

Industry's action to hide the truth

As soon as Doctors Hertel and Blanc published their results, the authorities reacted. A powerful trade organization, the Swiss Association of Dealers for Electro-apparatuses for Households and Industry, known as FEA, struck swiftly in 1992. They forced the President of the Court of Seftigen, Canton of Bern, to issue a "gag order" against Drs. Hertel and Blanc. In March 1993, Dr. Hertel was convicted for "interfering with commerce" and prohibited from further publishing his results. However, Dr. Hertel stood his ground and fought this decision over the years.

Not long ago, this decision was reversed in a judgment delivered in Strasbourg, Austria, on August 25, 1998. The European Court of Human Rights held that there had been a violation of Hertel's rights in the 1993 decision. The European Court of Human Rights also ruled that the "gag order" issued by the Swiss court in 1992 against Dr. Hertel, prohibiting him from declaring that microwave ovens are dangerous to human health, was contrary to the right to freedom of expression. In addition, Switzerland was ordered to pay Dr. Hertel compensation.

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« Reply #13 on: 04 March 2004, 13:48:00 pm »
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Just one more, because I find this VERY worrysome: (Please forgive for hijacking this thread)

Microwaves unsafe for baby's milk

A number of warnings have been made public, but have been barely noticed. For example, Young Families, the Minnesota Extension Service of the University of Minnesota, published the following in 1989:

"Although microwaves heat food quickly, they are not recommended for heating a baby's bottle. The bottle may seem cool to the touch, but the liquid inside may become extremely hot and could burn the baby's mouth and throat. Also, the buildup of steam in a closed container, such as a baby bottle, could cause it to explode. Heating the bottle in a microwave can cause slight changes in the milk. In infant formulas, there may be a loss of some vitamins. In expressed breast milk, some protective properties may be destroyed. Warming a bottle by holding it under tap water, or by setting it in a bowl of warm water, then testing it on your wrist before feeding may take a few minutes longer, but it is much safer."

Dr. Lita Lee of Hawaii reported in the December 9, 1989 Lancet:

"Microwaving baby formulas converted certain trans-amino acids into their synthetic cis-isomers. Synthetic isomers, whether cis-amino acids or trans-fatty acids, are not biologically active. Further, one of the amino acids, L-proline, was converted to its d-isomer, which is known to be neurotoxic (poisonous to the nervous system) and nephrotoxic (poisonous to the kidneys). It's bad enough that many babies are not nursed, but now they are given fake milk (baby formula) made even more toxic via microwaving."

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« Reply #14 on: 06 March 2004, 0:51:00 am »
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Why don't you ask your baby's doctor?  The doctor could probably give you much better advice than us as he knows your baby's health history and family allergy history.  

Don't take any chances if you have a history of allergies.  The doctor can give you a safe schedule for introducing solids.

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