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« on: 09 March 2006, 11:43:00 am »

S.D. Abortion Bill Takes Aim at 'Roe'
Senate Ban Does Not Except Rape, Incest

South Dakota lawmakers yesterday approved the nation's most far-reaching ban on abortion, setting the stage for new legal challenges that its supporters say they hope lead to an overturning of Roe v. Wade .
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Seems increasingly to be the case that the seppos and the islamists deserve each other. They are both embracing religious fundamentalism with a fervour bordering on the insane, imposing their medieval views and religious practices on all and sundry. What should the rest of the sane world do? Stand back and watch the modern-day Crusades as two backwards cultures annihilate each other?

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« Reply #1 on: 09 March 2006, 14:15:00 pm »

Fool.

Muslim fundamentalists leave 23 people bound and murdered in a bus...

Christian fundamentalist proposes new legislation within the legal framework of a modern democracy.

Anyone see any difference?

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« Reply #2 on: 09 March 2006, 14:24:00 pm »

Well, KK, brutal as those Iraqi murders were, they were not done in the name of religion. It is sectarian power play.
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« Reply #3 on: 09 March 2006, 16:14:00 pm »

Buddha - Sectarian violence between two sects within the religion of Islam. Whether you want to deem it political or not, the Sunni and Shi'ite fight is mired in religion, just as the Protestant/Catholic divisions have caused bloodshed elsewhere in this madcap world.
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« Reply #4 on: 09 March 2006, 20:02:00 pm »

If the majority of people living in South Dakota actually want these kinds of restrictions placed on abortion in their state and the law actually stands up legally (because you can bet it goes all the way to the Supreme Court) what's the problem? There are currently 49 other states people can move to if they don't like the law in South Dakota.

This is precisely how this kind of thing should work. Let each state decide what it wants to do -- no sweeping federal legislation demanding this or that.

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« Reply #5 on: 10 March 2006, 10:32:00 am »

Agree.

Christian religious nutjobs in the US are bothersome and annoying.  The worst thing they might do is murder an abortion doctor though.  While bad, it's pretty limited in scope.

Moslem religious nutjobs hijack planes, strap explosive to themselves and blow up bust stops and restaurants, behead people on video, advocate wiping Israel off the map, etc.

Big difference.

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« Reply #6 on: 10 March 2006, 10:40:00 am »

Not quite that harmless or restricted harm.  You forgot about Jim Jones and his Jonestown.  And other "the end is nigh" nut cases.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown

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« Reply #7 on: 10 March 2006, 11:56:00 am »

Mass suicides based on god or aliens or whatever just cleans the gene pool a bit.
Irrelevant to this discussion.

The incident in Waco TX would be a good example if they had gone on a rampage or something like that, but they didn't.

So far, Christian fundamentalists in the US are just nutjobs who are annoying, but they aren't mass murderers.

Edited to add - when the first Christian whacko obliterates himself and a bunch or hajis with an explosive and fragmentation-laden vest in Mecca then things will be different.

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« Reply #8 on: 10 March 2006, 12:07:00 pm »

 
quote:
What should the rest of the sane world do? Stand back and watch the modern-day Crusades as two backwards cultures annihilate each other?

That is my approach. Unlike to you, every day's newspaper brings me good news.  

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« Reply #9 on: 10 March 2006, 13:18:00 pm »

Didn't Bush said the invasion of Iraq was a crusade.  He did mention crusade in the aftermath of Sep 11.  And he did say God told him to invade some countries.  And the US forces are in other countries massacring tens of thousands because of one man's crusade.
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« Reply #10 on: 10 March 2006, 14:26:00 pm »

"So far, Christian fundamentalists in the US are just nutjobs who are annoying, but they aren't mass murderers."

So, tell me how this applies to the Christian fundamentalists who are running the whitehouse at the moment. I take it this is different somehow , is it ?

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« Reply #11 on: 10 March 2006, 15:35:00 pm »

A fundamentalist mullah issued a fatwah against Salman Rushdie for the Satanic Verses – likely casualty – 1 (if carried out).

A fundamentalist mullah issued a fatwah against the editor of Jyllands-Posten – expected casualty – 1 (if carried out).

Related killings arising from the Danish cartoons – tens or scores of deaths worldwide.

Car bombings, suicide bombing – scores of deaths each time.

2002 Bali bombing – 202 deaths

2005 Bali bombing – 23 deaths (including the 3 bombers)

September 11 incident – 2986 deaths (including the 19 hijackers)

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2003 Invasion of Iraq – 98,000 deaths; 100,000 civilian casualties

1991 Gulf War – 100,000 Iraqi troops killed; 300,000 wounded; 2,300 civilians killed

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The similarity – all the killings resulted from fundamentalist nutjobs trying to impose their wills on others.

The difference – the first set of deaths number in the hundreds and thousands; the second set of deaths number in the hundreds of thousands.

The difference – the first set of deaths involved people who do the dirty work themselves and blowing themselves up in the process. The second set of deaths involved high-tech, remote controlled precision killing machines without dirtying one’s hands very much.

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This may or may not be relevant.  But was the President who ordered the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki a religious nutjob as well?


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« Reply #12 on: 10 March 2006, 16:36:00 pm »

>> The similarity – all the killings resulted from fundamentalist nutjobs trying to impose their wills on others.

Confused, its actually an interesting topic you raise.  While George Bush undoubtedly *is* a religious nutjob, Im not sure you can equate him directly with the nutjob's of the overtly "lets kill as many as we can" variety, since if he was really that bad, he would have nuked Tehran a long time ago and would be shipping missionaries to the rubble.  No, Bush prefers his destruction slow and conventional.   Doesn't make it right, though, just less bad.

>>  This may or may not be relevant. But was the President who ordered the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki a religious nutjob as well?

Truman was undoubtedly religious, but the interesting thing is that we have him to thank for the current "no-use" taboo.  According to private papers and memoirs published after the war, it is clear that Truman became increasingly reluctant to even consider the use of nuclear weapons after having learned of the destruction in Japan.  One has to remember that, at that time, nobody beyond a small group of scientists had really considered how destructive these things were.

Anyway, once the first two were dropped, Truman became increasingly disturbed -- there were actually *three* bombs readied for Japan, but Truman took the third away from the military after the first two were detonated.  When you ask the question, wasn't it (President X) who dropped the bomb, instead of some general, it was Truman who set that precedent.  Anyway, despite his later public denials that he was concerned with the bombings, it is pretty clear that he was bothered, which can be seen from subsequent events.

In the Korean war, many elements in the military wanted to begin using nuclear weapons after Chinese regulars entered the fighting, but it was again Truman who prevented them (the ultimate deal was that they would be used to strike bases in mainland China if the latter pulled out of peace negotiations, but that never happened).  In fact, one of the reasons MacArthur was removed from command was apparently for not agreeing to Truman's policy in this area.  Interestingly, another religious man with "blood on his hands" who was rabidly anti-nuclear was Robert Macnamara, who flatly prohibited talk of their use in Vietnam, under the theory that it was "un-American" (and also racist -- I kid you not -- to be seen as only dropping nuclear bombs on Asians).

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051112/NEWS01/511120398

The real nuclear warmonger was apparently Eisenhower, who wanted to blur the distinction between strategic (big bang) nuclear weapons and their tactical (small bang) cousins, advocating use of the latter in small conflicts in the third world, which, obviously, would have been a disaster, since the soviets would have done likewise and the genie would have been let out of the bottle.

Anyway, if someone is interested and wants citations for this stuff, I can go dig it up.

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« Reply #13 on: 10 March 2006, 17:49:00 pm »

During the last 60 years the us government has killed more people in more countries than all the Islamic fundamentalists combined.

However:

1) it has done that after starting the cold war
2) there is freedom of the press in usa
3) there are free elections in usa

So:

usa has the right to kill anybody it wants and that's it.

If you are not happy with it you must be jealous.

And if it tortures someone that's not torture. Only the torture done by China, Turkey, North Korea is actual torture.

And that's it.

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« Reply #14 on: 10 March 2006, 18:43:00 pm »

Equating the Bush administration as a christian fundamentalist regime I think is way off the mark. While some of them may be a bunch of holy rollers, they are not a christian fundamentalist regime.
The US is a secular state, where some religious influences may be present, but to say it is a fundamentalist regime is rubbish.

Christianity is not to blame here, it's a bunch of numbnuts in washington who have a certain view of how the world should be run. Don't confuse the two.
They're not quoting scripture as they send their soldiers to fight.

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