GWB Speaks

[Joseph27]

Okay things are bad and the US realises it cant do things alone.  It wanted a post war Germany / Japan but so far has got a complete mess.  Whilst I understand the importance of this action I question the motives

Just a little side bar - show us the evidence of Iraq's support of terrorism - sorry but not all of us are star eyed US supporters.  Give us the evidence

[skank]

I think Dubya must be dipping back into the toot bag again, he's lost his marbles

After the embarrassing total collapse of the NE US power grid a few weeks ago & the resulting publicity highlighting the deterioration in the infrastructre & the need for a multibillion dollar upgrading/refurbishing of the US Power grid to get it back in shape

Dubya announces to to congress he needs billions of dollars added to his budget to upgrade the electric grid. This seems like good news except he is talking about the electric grid in IRAQ!

What about the US Power grid?

No we need to spend our tax dollars building a grid for our 'enemy'not ourselves.

The guy has lost his marbles. I predict he's going down next election, even the mindless masses are getting sick of his ridiculous BS

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[Joseph27]

Glad to read not everyone buys into this crap.  Seems amazing that the US is so adament about fixing the world whilst leaving people in the US to struggle with basic services and a system of government designed by the corporate citizens for corporate citizens.  

I dont believe Bush will win the next election - the house of cards is starting to look shaky. That being said however I must add that the US cant simply pull out now - a straight withdraw will only help terrorism.  What to do ?  The sad part is that this was so obvious to so many before the war - its bad luck for the US and the world that people like Bruno and imagine are the ones the current president listens to.  

[keynes]

Unless you were brain dead during the deliberations before going to war, there were never expectations that the war would be over quickly and cleanly. that line was fed to the media to give it less ammo in questioning the war. Geez such  naivete!

On the evidence? I don;t think you'll much anytime soon. And for good reason. The US intelligence operatives in that part of the world are extremely few. Revelation and world scrutiny of data, memos, etc. would surely expose those agents. Besides, public policy is not made for public consumption. This is not foreign policy by way of Oprah.

In case you just woke up, we don't live in utopia. Your extreme annoyance must be based on expectations that are repeatedly not met. Get over it!! The US govt job is to act on behalf of the US (no difference than all the other G8 nations). The think otherwise is naive.  

[Joseph27]

And the Iraqi government acted on behalf of Iraq  -  the point???

I am not so naive as to believe the US will divulge every action and every source prior to a conflict - but I do expect the world hegemon to conduct its foreign policy in a more responsible manner.  

Such naivete to believe that military power alone enables a hegemon to embark on unilateral orientialist reform.  

[Manc Man]

The US Govt acts on behalf of the US.

So what is the benefit to the US from the current situation in Iraq?

mm

[T2K]

There are no sure things in international relations.  The benefit to the US is the *possibility* that a secular, stable Iraq will result in the intermediate term future.  Iraq would then have a positive effect on the region in terms of economic and policy influence.  Might happen, might not.  

The Normandy invasion, in the immediate term, cost a lot of money and got a lot of Americans killed, but the possibility of ending the war and having a positive "regime change" in Germany was the benefit to the US.

[Joseph27]

MM - US interests in Iraq were initially based on

1.  Getting rid of Suddam's regime -
2.  Affecting cultural change that would hopefully spread through the mid east
3.  Securing the long term oil supply that Iraq currently posesses.
4.  Allegedly removing the threat that Iraq posed.

Now that we know that the US is stuck in a conflict that they dare not simply walk away from - their interests are in maintaining their current image in the face of increasing opposition.

Unfortunately now no matter what happens the US government can not walk away from Iraq - that is a scary position to be in

[hp sauce]

>Manc Man said "The US Govt acts on behalf of the US."

Dontcha think the US Govt acts on behalf of the US military-industrial complex.

Raytheon shares are way up since the start os Gulf War II.

Though slipping now unless Dubya makes a move on Eye-ran.

Now .. there's a thought .. what did he give 'em .. six weeks to come clean on their nuke program ?

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[Manc Man]

read more csarefully, I didn't say that, I was quoting from above and questioning whether it was really the case.

mm

[EyeSpy]

Bushblair really have got themselves in a mess haven't they. Hopefully Bush will be ousted next year & Blair in 2005. Thank God for the Hutton inquiry exposing everything for the pack of lies it is.

Oh, & where are the WMD by the way?

[Dolemite]

Incisive and biting commentary, Spy. Where are the WMD? Ah ha! You've certainly hit upon something.

[EyeSpy]

Er! and thanks Dolomite for your inspired input! Tell me, are you happy that young American soldiers are dying for a cause I'm sure very few of them believe in, sent by a government that has pretty much alienated itself from the rest of the world and is now humbly asking the UN to help sort the mess out with bribes of rebuilding contracts.

[Dolemite]

Wow. Stunningly original. Did you make that up or copy directly from "Stupid White Men"?

[EyeSpy]

As usual Dolomite, you bring it down to a level of personal attack & insult. I shall digress from futher input in this thread.

Chill & have a nice life.