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« on: 28 March 2002, 12:08:00 pm »

This article has been appearing on a lot of the news sites this week.  What do you think?

OK, some of it may be true, but I still think London's a great city and can't wait to go back.  At least there's actually things to do in London.


Londoners: joyless, dirty and uncool

by John Alexander
A joyless, decaying place where the locals are more likely to attack you than extend a welcome. This may sound like some nightmarish city in eastern Europe but in fact it is London, as described in the latest Lonely Planet guide book.

While recognising London's continuing allure for tourists, the guide is scathing on many aspects of life in the city. Londoners, the guide advises, would "no more speak to a stranger in the street than fly to the moon".

It warns tourists exploring on foot: "When a yobbo in a car - radio on full blast, mobile glued to the ear, indicator controls untouched - nearly runs you over at a pedestrian crossing and you protest, he dissolves into road rage as only Londoners know it."

There is also the problem of rough-sleepers: "The number of homeless is a stain on the rich robes of this, Europe's richest city."

Last year the Lonely Planet Guide to Britain described London as " horribly overcrowded" and full of "lager louts".

This year the guide says:

• London can hardly be called 'cool' when most pubs and many restaurants close as the rest of Europe is choosing its first course;

• Trafalgar Square pigeons are "dirty, flying rats";

• Oxford Street visitors have to "run the gauntlet of permanent closing down sales";

• There are pockets of bigotry all over the capital

• Visits to Buckingham Palace are "overpriced and disappointing".

The guide describes the public transport system as an "exhausting, debasing grind".

Yet, it says, the Tube continues to be cited by visitors as one of the highlights of a trip here.

Despite the criticism the guide says London is still "a world-class city".

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« Reply #1 on: 28 March 2002, 16:44:00 pm »

London is a dirty old city with bad weather, inpolite people and is so overpriced that to earn below $70K means you live like a poor person.  I have an EU pass thanks to my grandparents but would no more live in London than I would Abbis Ababa.  Nothing to offer really.  I have lived in a number of cities but my favorites definitely include Asian cities as well as those in Australia.  Sure we all complain about the things you cant get - but think of all you can.  

Sounds strange but I even loved living in Jakarta - but I especially loved Bandung and Semarang.  The people are nice, they treat you kindly (even though you get the frequent jibe about being a giant).

Personally I'm just going to keep getting property around melbourne and sydney whislt living in Asia.  All fine cities and all part of the new world  

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« Reply #2 on: 30 March 2002, 15:07:00 pm »

Can't argue with that.  I lived there for 7 years and one of the happiest days of my life was when my PR to Australia was approved.
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« Reply #3 on: 01 April 2002, 10:02:00 am »

Joseph

London has nothing to offer? Nothing at all?

That's great news for us Brits. Spread the word, then our decrepit underground, overburdened buses, snarled streets, clogged motorways, chaotic airports and inadequate health services won't be clogged with apparently soon to be disappointed tourists.

How's the tourist trade in Addis Adaba doing anyway? May be you could start tour groups going there instead of London, sounds like a great business opportunity. We Brits would certainly be grateful, London doesn't need any more whiney, disoriented, irritating tourists we have more than we need already.

Message to the rest of the world from the UK. Nothing to see here, why don't you try war torn Central Africa? Contact Joseph27 in Singapore, (Where they have a really nice Night Safari and a theme park on an Island that's going bust), he'll fill you in.

Are you sure there's nothing at all in London ?

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« Reply #4 on: 01 April 2002, 11:46:00 am »

Ok Manc Man my previous posting was quite harsh  I admit it and indeed I would prefer to be enjoying a $15 kabab and a $5 can of coke whilst freezing my butt off in London rather than eating sand in Addis Ababa.  

I like England but just dont like London that much - travel for a little while and its nice and the people become friendly - but in London isnt that safe, and once again is COLD and personally I hate cold

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« Reply #5 on: 01 April 2002, 12:33:00 pm »

Hey Joe

Good points.

Best stay home where it's warm and safe.

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« Reply #6 on: 01 April 2002, 12:43:00 pm »

London is cold? Well maybe compared to Singapore, but geez man have you tried New York, Moscow, anywhere in Canada or even Seoul for that matter. If you think London's cold then I wouldn't go much further North than Delhi if I were you.

Have to agree though that crime in London is too high. Are you aware of any cities in the World where crime is too low?

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« Reply #7 on: 01 April 2002, 12:43:00 pm »

I just spent 9 great months in London, after having lived 3 years in Copenhagen and before that with my parents in a small village in Jutland Denmark. I have to say London was/is a great city with lots of events and things to do all the time and not least quite a fun nightlife.

Maybe you don't get the same hot weather as in Asia and Australia, but the summer months are still great and you can easy spend them outdoors.

I do however agree that both the underground and buses are overcrowded but then again what do you expect from such a big city with so many people, however they are trying to make things better and hopefully they will over the next years.

I therefore do not agree with the article written by John Alexander, and would definitely say London is always worth a visit and you are guaranteed a good time, if you don’t have one it is your own fault.

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« Reply #8 on: 01 April 2002, 14:01:00 pm »

A good example of the famous "English welcome" Manc Man!

And notice how all the people who make up the population in horrrible cities in the world are moving to Australia...

 

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« Reply #9 on: 01 April 2002, 14:59:00 pm »

all of them burbs? are you sure that's right? surely not all of them.

besides, if the original poster and Joe99 were right, why's London packed to the gills with your own countrymen?

Coz it's a brilliant place?

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« Reply #10 on: 01 April 2002, 16:17:00 pm »

This is fun ya

Agreed London is not the coldest place on earth and indeed there are many cities around that rate below London.

For London there is a distinct problem with crime and the method on how to deal with it.  You can pussy foot around all you like with rights and so on - but it takes guts and determination to do what Senior Minister does and when people go against societies interests you smash them down - fairly but firmly.  

As for that question on what city is safe - simple answer - Singapore. I am happy to walk down the street at night or to drive and not worry about being mugged by some poor young lad who had a bad upbringing and an unhappy relationship with his daddy who subsequently decided that I didnt deserve my possessions whilst he did.  At least I know in Singapore that if something screws with me then they get punished.  

Oh and its hot

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« Reply #11 on: 01 April 2002, 16:38:00 pm »

Manc Man,

It's all right if you're Irish. We've taken over Boston and made severe inroads into New York as well!

Up Ireland, world domination coming right up!

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« Reply #12 on: 01 April 2002, 16:41:00 pm »

Joseph27,

There is at least one rapist out there in Singapore. the girl I know who was raped had no confidence that the Singapore police would deal sensitively with her and so she didn't report it.

It's safer than most places, but it's not that safe.

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« Reply #13 on: 01 April 2002, 16:50:00 pm »

Lived in London (well, Greenford, just outside of Ealing) for a year, and loved it. And yes, if there was a job there, I would go back. Some very happy memories, good friends and great nights out.

As for the origonal posting.....well, anyone read Jeremy Clarkson's views on Australia? Excellent, even if I say so myself! Especially the part about why people moved there! (I'll see if I can find it!)

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« Reply #14 on: 01 April 2002, 16:54:00 pm »

Sorry for the length, but here it is!! It's a scream to all those pommie-bashers every Australian seems to be!!

TIMES,SUNDAY JANUARY 13 2002

Jeremy Clarkson: Be careful of the lucky country, it has teeth

Surely, after 20 days of trial by fire, the Australians must now realise that God never really intended this enormous tinderbox to be used for human habitation.

Plainly it was created as a giant dustbin, a place far from civilisation where all His failed experiments could be left to their own terrifying devices. "Oh no," said God on the fourth day, "I've gone and made a spider which can kill a man just by looking at him. I need somewhere to put it." So on the fifth day He created Australia.

This then became home for all the horrid snakes and the bitey crocodiles and the baby-eating dingoes. And to make sure that man stayed away, He made the land itself completely infertile and filled the sea around its shores with deadly sharks and killer jellyfish. He even built an enormous barrier reef. Frankly, He did everything possible to ensure that humans never went there, short of putting up a sign saying "Trespassers will be eaten".

Nobody knows what drew the Aborigines but we do know that the first white man to sail this way was the world's most useless explorer, a Dutchman called Abel Tasman. In a three-year voyage he found Fiji, New Zealand and Tasmania, but in one of the most inept pieces of navigation ever he completely missed the big bit in the middle. That was discovered by Captain James Cook who stepped off his ship, sniffed the air and declared,
"Yes. This would make a fantastic prison."

He was right, of course. For millions of years Australia had harboured all the world's dangerous animals so why not use it as a waste disposal unit for dangerous people? And even when the transportation of convicts  stopped, it was still a good place for people who couldn't get on anywhere else.

Think about it. Nobody ever went to live in Australia because of the success they'd made of things at home. "I have thousands of friends, endless party invitations, a wonderful, happy family, a great job and even better prospects. So I'm off." All Australians are descended from Billy No Mates.

You'd expect them to have some sympathy with the refugees from central Asia. But no. They've turned their former prison into a fortress and the doors are now firmly closed.

Australians stand on their porches with flames licking at their back door, telling us that life over there is peachy. "It's always warm enough for a barbecue," they say. Never mind that the most recent barbie was so enormous and so hot that it had to be extinguished by a fleet of helicopters.

They're even using the wildlife as a scare campaign, telling the world what we already know: that the 10 most deadly snakes found anywhere in the world are all Australian. They run PR campaigns throughout Asia, showing pictures of boats used by refugees marooned on beaches with big fat crocodiles lolling nearby.

However, the reception from the indigenous wildlife is as nothing compared to the reception you'll get from the locals.

It's bad enough for a British person who's only there on holiday. Every time you walk into a pub, you get the same reaction. "Backs to the wall everyone. There's a Pom in the bar," followed by: "Hide your wallet under the soap. He won't find it there."

Not desperately imaginative but then what do you expect from a people who named a blue spotted ray that lives in lagoons "the blue spotted lagoon ray", or a range of mountains with snow on them "the Snowy Mountains". And that's before we get to "the Great Barrier Reef".

Anyway, if we have a hard time, imagine what it's like for Abdul. In a recent poll, 96% of Australians said they wanted the refugees out, dead, buried, eaten, anything. Last summer an advertisement appeared in one of the newspapers there asking people with a military background to join vigilante-style patrols.

Refugees who get caught by the proper authorities are sent to a fantastically remote detention centre near Woomera, where the British did their atomic tests in the 1950s. They can get out easily but it's an 18-day walk to the nearest telephone box and that's doubly hard when you've grown two heads.

So what sort of volume are we talking about here? Well, last year the number of people who arrived in Australia illegally from the usual refugee hot spots was 4,500. That works out at one for every 666 square miles. You could put the downtrodden masses from all over the world in the Northern Territories and not even know they were there.

Australia says that it took in thousands of Vietnamese and Cambodian boat people in the 1970s and 1980s, along with most of Britain's displaced trade union leaders who were no longer welcome at No 10 for tea and buns. It won't now fulfil the legal and moral obligations of other nations.

Well, Europe has a falling birthrate and can take a few refugees. The Americans are dropping food parcels on their heads. Africa is hopeless and Asia is the problem, which leaves either Antarctica, which seems a bit antisocial, or the very place that was specifically designed to be home for misfits: Australia.

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