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PhilM
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« on: 02 December 2003, 8:50:00 am »

Yesterday was World Aids Day so naturally enough I heard, saw, and read a great deal on the subject in the various forms of media available. No one who took in the information given out would have been left in any doubt the number of people who are HIV positive or who have full blown AIDS is a human tragedy; three million have died this year, five million have been infected.

It was also apparent those most affected live in poorer parts of the world and mostly can neither afford nor have access to retroviral drugs. The British Government made pious statements about doubling its funding to UNAIDS to six million pounds – about fifteen pence per head for the forty million currently infected worldwide, and about the same as they spend in one day in Iraq.

UNAIDS itself launched a campaign to get a version of retroviral drugs available to three million of the world’s poorest sufferers by 2005; why in two years, why only three million out of forty million, why not now? All of the talk seemed to be focused on treatment for current suffers with a few references to the usage of condoms to prevent infection. I fully agree sufferers must be helped as with any other infectious disease; however where was the talk of producing vaccines to prevent infection? I heard, saw, and read virtually nothing, apart from a few vague comments about a vaccine being ten years down the road.

When AIDS was first identified the major drugs companies all had a lot to say about the production of a vaccine, some even promising one within a couple of years. As the number of infected people in the Western world grew and became a powerful lobbying group politicians lent on the Pharmaceutical companies to produce drugs that treated the disease. Nothing wrong with that apart from the fact along the way nearly all finances and resources appear to have been diverted to producing retroviral drugs which could only be afforded by some in the West, leaving virtually nothing for research and development work on vaccines.

I imagine a conversation amongst the number crunchers in the Pharmaceutical industry, it goes like this: -

“If we spend our money on producing an effective vaccine each individual will probably only ever need to pay for it once; however if we spend our money on producing retroviral drugs and that same person is infected they will have to pay for our product for the rest of their lives”.

Am I being totally cynical in believing this situation is more about profits than human lives? Personally I think not as these companies are first and foremost profit motivated and are certainly not altruistic institutions. Should in reality our politicians not be putting large funding into the research and production costs of an effective vaccine rather than only supplying pitiful amounts of money to treat those already infected?

It is a tragedy you have to think twice about helping someone who has hurt themselves, and is bleeding for fear their blood may be infected and could get into your own system. It is a tragedy parents in poorer parts of the world can take their child for an injection and end up with an HIV infected child through reuse of the same needle. I am aware this is an emotive subject to discuss; but until an effective vaccine is produced, you, I, our families, our friends, and the whole of mankind is in danger of being infected in the course of our every day lives.

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« Reply #1 on: 06 December 2003, 22:34:00 pm »

sad.....really
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« Reply #2 on: 07 December 2003, 17:28:00 pm »

McJoy - I had no problem with your last post, I poke fun at others so should expect it to be done to me. I do not see aby logical reason as to why it was removed.

When you post an item under Talking Point there is always the risk others will not care to repond, I have no problem with that and certainly do not get saddened by lack of response. If a few like you read my post they may at least have thought about the situation, or become a little better informed about it than they had been.

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« Reply #3 on: 07 December 2003, 23:36:00 pm »

PhilM,

There is a protective medicine available on the market.
It only cost a few cents and is called: condom
It is widely available in both western countries as well as anywhere else in the world (except Vatican City)

Again there is comparisation between "funding medical research" and "funding a war".
Now lets seen how much money people spend on holidays, cars, clothing etc etc

Then again, AIDS is just a "small" disease.
There are many more people dying from the flue. And what about heart diseases?

Shouldn't we by right not give priority to find a medicine against flue before spending millions on AIDS?
At least you cannot blame anyone for catching the flue, while you can blame many AIDS patients for having AIDS because they did not use the protective possibility available.

And sure, the developers of medicines are purposely delaying a medicine against AIDS. I even think that they purposely developed AIDS in the first place.
If you can make a medicine, you can also make the poison.
Perhaps SARS was invented to bring some extra money into the pockets of the medical industry.

Meantime the world keeps on turning.
People will still die of cancer for which no medicine exists.
Tomorow another disease will pop up it's head.
And thats life. You live... and you die.
Some people die in their sleep, others catch a horrible disease.

Mankind has never been destroyed completely by any disease. Maybe the best thing to do is just to let the disease make as many victims as it needs before it will die off a natural way.
Just like it has always been.

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« Reply #4 on: 09 December 2003, 14:40:00 pm »

Imagine,

You say there is protective medicine out there in the form of condoms and implying that basically if people aren't careful then that's (AIDS) what they get.  You say what about heart disease and the flu?

Well, you could make the same argument about heart disease (people are basically eating themselves to death and over 60% of Americans are considered obese).  A poor lifestyle CHOICE of eating bad foods over time could also somewhat attribute to certain cancers or at least in general one could argue that a good lifestyle and healthy eating habits may decrease our chances of certain cancers/diseases.  So, really, if the world of medicine was operating under your ideals we shouldn't be wasting our time on cures for diseases like cancer either that may be brought upon by our own lifestyle choices.  Where's the logic in that?  

The reality of it is that people ARE dying from cancer, flu, AIDS and other horrendous diseases and we should be looking for cures for as many of these as we can (regardless of how people get them).  Seven thousand people aren't dying from the flu each day....they're dying from AIDS and many of them are the indigenous people in Africa, some who are children who aren't out there sleeping around and if you think that we shouldn't care or DO anything about the people in Africa because it's just not our problem, think again...that sort of logic hasn't really helped us in dealing with many of the international issues we face today.

Oh, then again we should all just sit on our @sses and do nothing since we're all going to die anyway, right?  

If the world was run according to you, Imagine, our life expectancies would still be low and we'd all be sitting here with measles, mumps or rubella and riding in our little horse drawn carriages.

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« Reply #5 on: 10 December 2003, 0:21:00 am »

MJM,

Great to know that 7000 people are dying of AIDS each day.
Since an average of 152,640 humans die each day globally that means that 145,640 people are dying of other reasons.

As such the global death rate of AIDS patients is only 4.6%

I guess if we want more ffect we actually should put more money in the other 95.4%

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« Reply #6 on: 10 December 2003, 8:16:00 am »

Imagine,

Your ignorance made me laugh out loud.  Obviously you're not much of a statistician!

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« Reply #7 on: 11 December 2003, 0:22:00 am »

Global stats on AIDS are misleading as infection rate in third world countries are disproportionately higher than in developed countries.  Not without coincidence, the availability of contraceptives are also much more restricted.  In African countries like Zimbabwe, about 1 in 4 adults are HIV positive.  I do not know how anyone can see that as a "small disease" as it is indeed an epidemic.   Generic retroviral drugs to keep HIV in remission are inexpensive but unfortunately are still unaffordable in TWCs.  It is up to countries with the resources to help the have-nots.  

Imagine - To say that AIDS is an entirely preventable disease when contraceptives are available is simplistic at best.  The virus is already out there and is also being spread through birth and contaminated blood transfusion.  Casual sex is not the only culprit.  As for a common flu vaccine, first no one has been able to find a vaccine and no one is also trying hard - the pharmaceutical industry consider flu drugs that alleviate pains and symtoms to be one of its top money spinner.

The problem is 2-prong.  How to help those infected and how to prevent people from getting infected.  Retroviral drugs would go a long way for the former and education and the availability of contraceptives is the answer for the latter.  Both require the resources of developed nations and I just hope there are more initiatives such as the one Clinton brokered recently with generic HIV retroviral drugs manufacturers (I believe in India) and pledges such as Bush's recent $3 billion pledge over the next 5 years (it remains to be seen how he will be able to squeeze even a fraction of that out of a country's whose national debt is again growing ala the Reagonomic days).

[This message has been edited by Pomp (edited 11-12-2003).]

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