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maxthecat
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« Reply #15 on: 10 March 2002, 13:07:00 pm »

I would hazard a guess that many, if not most, capital punishment opponents would also support abortion, including late term "partial-birth" abortion.  This is the procedure whereby a fully viable 9-month old baby is killed just before leaving the birth canal.  Scissors are inserted into the base of the skull and opened, a tube inserted, and the baby's brains sucked out.

State-sanctioned infanticide called "choice" or "women's reproductive rights" or what not.

Could the same procedure be used upon a vile murderer on death row?

Of course not.  Here in the U.S.A., the constitution does not allow "cruel and unusual punishment."  

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« Reply #16 on: 11 March 2002, 22:20:00 pm »

Babettes Feast, the largest number of innnocent people dying is the number of victims of killers, not the number of wrongly convicted.

1. Recidivism: I do not want to pay US$100,000+/year to keep alive killers who torture their victims or kill them in horrifyingly cruel ways.  These killers usually fit the profile you outline for recidivists.  I see no point in paying for them to moulder in prison, infecting the minds of people who will be released.

2.  The money:  Again, I say that money could be better spent and often is.  Governments do this all the time.  It's called the budget process.  Each year when the state legislature passes a budget there are discussions about how to spend collected revenues.  I've sat (as a visitor) in the state legislature of a death penalty state when lawmakers were deciding whether  to spend more money on prisons and incarceration or on programs for mainstreaming handicapped people, or on mental health facilities, or on public housing for poor people.  This happens 52 times every year in the United States.  That's once per state, the District of Columbia and the federal government.  Did you know the United States is the number provider of foreign aide?  The amount has gone down in recent years, at the same time that money to run prisons has gone up.  IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

BTW, in the US it is illegal for prisoners to do work that would compete with private industries so it is not possible for them to earn their keep.

3.  War IS relevant to this topic.  It is "state sponsored killing," which is one of the objections to the death penalty.  And yet some people who are against the death penalty on these grounds are for "peace keeping" actions that involve the deaths of many innocents in the interests of protecting many more innocents.  That is the point of the death penalty.  Same thing.

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« Reply #17 on: 23 March 2002, 15:06:00 pm »

Difficult one. I change my mind all the time. My father was the victim of a violent crime by a repeat offender. At times I'm inclined to think "string em up and keep the cost down". I don't think its a deterrent necessarily. At the same time I am worried  about false convictions and the 'thin end of the wedge' - if the state has the right to kill then who knows where it could lead? There again, people die in tragic and unjust ways all the time. Life is fragile; a blip in time.

There was an interesting article in the Economist a few months ago. If I remember the facts correctly, the chances of getting away with committing a crime in the UK are about 90%. Firstly, the chances of being caught by the police are staggeringly low. Then, not all cases come to court because they have to believe that they have a good chance of getting a conviction. And finally, under the trial-by-jury system there are huge regional variances in the outcome (>70% conviction in East Anglia versus <40% conviction in Liverpool).

The numbers hide statistics about different categories of crime (e.g. car theft v murder) but its still disturbing, huh?

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