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Joseph27
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« on: 19 April 2002, 12:50:00 pm »

I read an article today on the deliberate breeding of disabled people.  This is an abomination of nature and should be forcibly disallowed.  Please if you have time – read this article – it would be a welcome discussion away from the Middle East.  


Rosemary Neill: Don't breed disabilities
By Rosemary Neill
April 19, 2002

THEY have been called barbarians, irresponsible, genetic imperialists. Does the lesbian couple who engineered their children's deafness deserve this

Yes and no. They are not alone in believing that parents have the right to use reproductive technology and selective breeding to exercise absolute genetic control over their children, even if that means limiting their children's potential or endangering their health and welfare.
That notoriety-craving Italian doctor, Severino Antinori, is proceeding with a cloned human pregnancy, despite the technique having produced crippling side effects in animals. A small, affluent coterie of women is choosing to postpone pregnancy until they have travelled, established a career, paid off a mortgage – and gone through menopause. Yes, post-menopausal mothers can take advantage of pretty egg donors and technology. But there is a fair chance they will be six feet under by the time their children are 30 – and that's simply unfair to their offspring. Mother nature doesn't always know best, but we pretend at our peril that she knows nothing.

Sharon Duchesneau and Candace McCullough are lesbian, profoundly deaf – and have practised a kind of reverse eugenics on their children. They live in the US state of Maryland and used artificial insemination to conceive their son, who was born on Thanksgiving Day last year. They have been widely condemned for using the sperm provided by a donor-friend who has five generations of deafness in his family. They did this to improve their chances of producing a deaf child. Before turning to the father – the same man who sired their deaf daughter – they visited sperm banks seeking a deaf donor. They were, quite rightly, turned away.

These women factored in serious impairment in the same way others anxiously screen it out. By breeding in a disability, they have broken one of the cardinal rules of parenting: the obligation to maximise one's children's opportunities in life.

The couple insist that deafness is a cultural identity, like religion or race, rather than a physiological affliction. They are part of a growing cohort of militant deaf people who see their condition as no more disabling than, say, being female in a misogynous world or black in a racist society. Although society is far less embracing of disability than it pretends, the depiction of the deaf as just another cultural minority is deluded. Four senses are no substitute for five, no matter how sophisticated one's signing, how heightened one's other senses.

The Washington Post – which broke the story of the lesbians' selective breeding – reported that as Duchesneau was giving birth, she needed an interpreter to relay her signed questions to the midwife. Poignantly, the women's five-year-old daughter has already grown apart from a playmate without a hearing disability, as the communication gap becomes harder to bridge.

If you read the long and scrupulously non-judgmental Post article that set off a firestorm of protest, it is hard not to feel for these women. They never felt fully accepted in the hearing world despite their obvious intelligence (they both have postgraduate degrees). Even the "designer disability" scandal they have provoked exposes society's double standards: on the one hand, we insist that deafness, blindness and paraplegia are no big deal; that there is no such thing as "normal"; that the disabled are simply "differently abled". On the other, the outrage over these women's selective breeding confirms how we still define disability in overwhelmingly negative terms.

Still, this avoids the core ethical issue: that this couple had no right to make irreversible decisions that severely limit their children's potential. As well as maximising his chances of being born deaf, they have denied their infant son, who has residual hearing in one ear, a hearing aid that might speed up his language and speech development. Instead, they want him to learn sign language. This arrogantly assumes he will always want to live in an enclosed, deaf world, as his parents seem to: they met at a university for the deaf; they work as mental health counsellors to deaf people and their families; their daughter moved to a school for the deaf after attending daycare for the deaf.

Then there is the murkily defined role of the father. According to the Post, he visits his daughter twice a year (that much?). He is clinically referred to as "the sperm donor". As teenagers, these children will contend with a largely absent father who conspired to bring about their deafness, a recipe for lifelong therapy if ever there was one. THESE women claim they are striking a blow for diversity – for deafness to be as accepted as differently coloured skins. They say they would have loved their son had he been born with hearing, but felt they would make better parents to a deaf child. This is understandable. It is also an inadvertent admission of the restrictions deafness imposes: For these women to feel confident as parents, it was best if their children couldn't listen to a CD, talk on the phone, be best friends with the child next door.
If that doesn't say something about deafness as a disability, what does?

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Has the world gone mad to even allow this type of situation to occur.  I mean frankly it is still contentious as to whether Single people and Gay couples should have the right to use this technology - and now these people sought to deliberately make a disabled baby.  Sure I understand deaf people can have good lives and make a worthy contribution to the society they live in - but to deliberately go about making a deaf baby is I believe immoral and contemptible.

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« Reply #1 on: 19 April 2002, 13:26:00 pm »

sad isn't it? that some people have warped minds about how they can decide the future of an unborn child....

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« Reply #2 on: 19 April 2002, 13:59:00 pm »

Your article is strong on opinion and short on cogent argument.  The writer couldn't resist the use of lesbian to describe the couple/mother every chance she got because, I daresay, the "like-minded" people she hopes to stir up hate lesbians and deaf people alike.  My impression, aside from whether having a deaf baby is right or wrong, is that Ms. Neill is a bigot.
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« Reply #3 on: 19 April 2002, 14:28:00 pm »

Granted that Ms Neil has a strong opinion about this - and you are correct - she brings up the fact that they are a lesbian couple but rightly so she is strongly criticising a totally bizarre practice of deliberately breeding a child with disability - how sick is that?

As for the issue of gay couples being given access to IVF - this is still a very contentious issue in Australia - personally I dont like the idea of not having a father around however that being said how many fathers really are around anyway.  Gay, straight single - if you're committed to raising a child lovingly and unselfishly good luck to you - but if you want a child to follow your own disability then you are a sick twisted person and you should be denied the right to breed  

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« Reply #4 on: 19 April 2002, 14:56:00 pm »

Did they actually engineer a deaf baby, i.e. that is using IVF technology OR did they simple use the sperm/have sex with a deaf man?

If it was the first case then perhaps you can be morally outraged.

If it was the later then isn't it a dangerous road to go down saying that two deaf people ARE NOT ALLOWED to have a baby.  What if the father was a genious along Einstein/Mozart lines...would it be OK then?

Can they screen embryos for deafness?

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« Reply #5 on: 19 April 2002, 15:15:00 pm »

They selected a sperm donor who suffered from congenital deafness. It's completely incredible. If someone is willing to deprive their children of the ability to hear music, the wind, the yipping of puppies, anything, I seriously question their fitness as parents. How can this be legal.
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« Reply #6 on: 19 April 2002, 17:27:00 pm »

According to this article, these people deliberately went out of their way to make a deaf baby using sperm from a person whose family had suffered generations of being deaf. This meant that they knew the ramifications and chose to saciacte some twisted sick fanatasy rather than respect the fact that they were bringing into the world a new human being.  

i dont care if they were a lesbian couple - but what they did should be illegal. This is not an attack on gay people or deaf people - it is an attack on immoral behaviour.


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« Reply #7 on: 19 April 2002, 17:59:00 pm »

Joseph27,  You will make a good muslim.  You have the moral out rage down pat.  


[This is a joke guys, so don't go nuts].

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« Reply #8 on: 19 April 2002, 21:24:00 pm »

expat1 - now that made me laugh.  Actually I am still smiling writing this - and your post certainly doesnt make me cry out for justice against this moral outrage....
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« Reply #9 on: 19 April 2002, 23:12:00 pm »

One should think that parents (whatever their sexual preferences are) do whatever it takes in providing their children with all support to live a better life.
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« Reply #10 on: 21 April 2002, 17:58:00 pm »

OK, this article represents a pretty typical logical fallacy called the "complex question". What it basically boils down to is two unrelated points joined as a single proposition. The complex question in this case is something like this:

"As a right-thinking citizen, surely you are opposed to the horror of parents wilfully chosing disabilities for their children, and those parents being lesbians".

When presented like this it's easy to see what the author has done. Most people probably imagine that a lesbians would be decent parents, and that there's no big deal there. And most people would be horrified by the idea of parents chosing congenital deformities for their kids for selfish reasosns. By presenting the article thus, there is some sort of devious implicit suggestion of "see, this shows that lesbians are bad people and can't be trusted to raise kids", when in fact the real facts of this case do not suggest that at all - for example, if the couple had been a man and a woman who went to the same lengths to have a deaf kid on purpose, would that suggest that hetro people shouldn't have kids?  

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« Reply #11 on: 21 April 2002, 21:53:00 pm »

I accept that this article has little to do with Lesbian parents - and indeed she should have left that information out - it was not necessary however the fact that a parent could purposely debilitate their child is reason enough to condemn their behavior

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