PR Rejected

[Fingers]

For those patiently waiting and wondering, all is not lost. ICA is still approving PR applications and the process is still working.  Its just that they seem to be a little more selective now as the ST article mentioned.  Submitted mine in mid January 2010 and came back approved the first week of May.  It took exactly 3 months, 2 weeks, which pretty close to the schedule they told me.

Just as a data point:  P2 EP.  Caucasian.  Single.  45 years old.  Bachelor's degree in Engineering.  Company director.  Salary S$15K p/m. (yes, my EP was a P2, not a P1).  Continuous resident in S'pore >20 years. 

My guess is that duration of residency in Singapore is probably one of the higher factors now.

 

That's nice to know. I've just applied after 15years here and am the same age as you. Was wondering if that would be seen as a negative or a positive.

[c'mon]

For those patiently waiting and wondering, all is not lost. ICA is still approving PR applications and the process is still working.  Its just that they seem to be a little more selective now as the ST article mentioned.  Submitted mine in mid January 2010 and came back approved the first week of May.  It took exactly 3 months, 2 weeks, which pretty close to the schedule they told me.

Just as a data point:  P2 EP.  Caucasian.  Single.  45 years old.  Bachelor's degree in Engineering.  Company director.  Salary S$15K p/m. (yes, my EP was a P2, not a P1).  Continuous resident in S'pore >20 years. 

My guess is that duration of residency in Singapore is probably one of the higher factors now.

 

Really, if you've been in Singapore for more than 20 years that's not an accurate point of comparison. 

I think most applicants are waiting 6 months or more.  If you have a "typical" profile and recently applied for PR and got accepted quickly, please let us know.  I've been waiting 6 months, wondering when I will get a response.

[Mmmd]

Few years ago if an applicant changes job while his PR application is in progress, his PR application is said to be withdrawn/rejected and he has to re apply again.

Is this rule still exists? I do not find this in ICA website now. Has ICA changed its above policy? Anyone changed job while their PR app was in progress?

Thanks.

if change company while processing PR,new company was able to support my application also I need to withdraw my application?

I asked them about this last week. If you change employer during the process, then you just have to inform them. If you cease to be employed then you will have to withdraw the application. Presumably, you are allowed a small grace period between jobs, but I could not get any kind of commitment as to how long the gap can be

[titan]

Few years ago if an applicant changes job while his PR application is in progress, his PR application is said to be withdrawn/rejected and he has to re apply again.

Is this rule still exists? I do not find this in ICA website now. Has ICA changed its above policy? Anyone changed job while their PR app was in progress?

Thanks.

if change company while processing PR,new company was able to support my application also I need to withdraw my application?

I asked them about this last week. If you change employer during the process, then you just have to inform them. If you cease to be employed then you will have to withdraw the application. Presumably, you are allowed a small grace period between jobs, but I could not get any kind of commitment as to how long the gap can be

I don't know why anyone would want to be here 15+ years and not apply for  PR sooner?  Then again, most people on this board probably earn $200,000 a year and higher so they live in a different society than the "workers" with S Passes.  I wanted PR as soon as I meet their eligibility, it's a rich man's society, that seems to be the lesson because the guy that just got approved in 3 months applied after I did.
They are probably building  a society of elites here. I don't know, just throwing out a crazy theory really.

[It's Simple]

Few years ago if an applicant changes job while his PR application is in progress, his PR application is said to be withdrawn/rejected and he has to re apply again.

Is this rule still exists? I do not find this in ICA website now. Has ICA changed its above policy? Anyone changed job while their PR app was in progress?

Thanks.

if change company while processing PR,new company was able to support my application also I need to withdraw my application?

I asked them about this last week. If you change employer during the process, then you just have to inform them. If you cease to be employed then you will have to withdraw the application. Presumably, you are allowed a small grace period between jobs, but I could not get any kind of commitment as to how long the gap can be

I don't know why anyone would want to be here 15+ years and not apply for  PR sooner? 

Because it offers no real benefit.

You are right on one thing though. A westerner with an S pass also offers SWingapore very little. They have enough workers now and will offer no real long term benefit to Singapore. That's just how it is.

$200,00 per year ? You can double that when you include all the packages and bonuses etc.

A society of elites ? well, that's the culture isn't it?

Just face it. You don't need a PR. You can work here as long as you like with it.

[titan]

but the thing is, I do need the PR because if my job ends, the S Pass gets terminated  and I by SG law must leave the county within 2 weeks, do you have any idea what kind of burden that creates for me and my wife who is Singaporean?
YES I NEED THE PR to avoid this scenario.
I also need the PR for us to get property & more employers are willing to hire PR's, if the S Pass job ends, I can more easily land somewhere and I don't have to try and do it in less than 2 weeks.

[Simple Really]

but the thing is, I do need the PR because if my job ends, the S Pass gets terminated  and I by SG law must leave the county within 2 weeks, do you have any idea what kind of burden that creates for me and my wife who is Singaporean?
YES I NEED THE PR to avoid this scenario.
I also need the PR for us to get property & more employers are willing to hire PR's, if the S Pass job ends, I can more easily land somewhere and I don't have to try and do it in less than 2 weeks.

Sure thing, however, that's what happens when you choose to marry a foreign national. You should have factored all this into your decision.

However, it's still no big deal if you loose your job. You just go in/out every month as a tourist.

Or you could simply just go home and try to bring the bride in to your country as a resident. If she's not prepared to do that, well, you can figure it out and I shouldn't need to tell you.

Or you could both go to another country and try to get residency there.

Heaps of options.

[barbapappa12]

As a Singaporean taxi driver told me, he saw this pro-foreigner / anti-foreigner cycle many times before, always during election times. After the elections, it is business as usual, because:

- Singapore depends on the west and China
- Singaporeans do not have networks in Europe and USA
- Westeners built this country (infrastructure, foreign investments)
- Westeners are more productive

Singaporeans are very talented complainers, right now it is about foreigners that take their jobs (even though unemployment in USA is 5 times higher). If you ask employers, they prefer a large part of their workforce to be foreigner for many reasons.

So take an EP now and if you really want to stay in Singapore, apply for your PR after the elections.

[hope_for_the_best]

On another major Singapore Expat forum, one moderator had a dinner with a Parliament official and after some wines he said that parliament decided during the summer of 2009 that the influx of foreign talent will be freezed for at least 2 years (which means that an application is only approved if another pr surrenders or leaves the country). right now, about 90% of the applications is put 'on hold'  or rejected. There are many people waiting for 11+ months. Their application is processed but the outcome is not sent out.

Coming from an a-class country works against you, thanks to those greedy Ivy leagues who toke benefit of the PR and left after some years to earn 10 dollars more. A friend from Myanmar, diploma holder, was approved for PR in january, he holds an s-pass, income S$1800. I hold 2 masters from a top-50 university, income S$8000 and got rejected. You do the math

Good luck to everyone!

[Mmmd]

Now days lot of PR Application is rejected without reason, look's that aplication ppl. Eraning is good. So now logic is gov not looking much on income state,
for few case's my friends all working 5 years in Technician position, Diploma holders only.
They all got approval, that all gross Sal~$2200.
my case I changed company as engineer position, completed Adv.Diploma singapore Poly. Gross Sal~$3500. payed Tax 3year's in Singapore. This my 5 year of working in Singapore.

From Article's read's
Gov looking for Who willing to will Get Citizen in here. Past histry PR changed to Citizen ratio is very low..  ..!!!

Goodluck.. If any one ICA PR approval ppl reading
pls guide ppl. Some ppl will to apply citizen in this groups

[Jessica Ng]

Hi Prospective PRs,

I am a Sporean married to a Japanese and has been living away
from my country since 1990. I received my PR after 5 years
and adjusting my life living in Japan. I don't understand what is
purpose of PR just for the sake of monetary, taking advantage of the generosity of our govt. and upsurp the life of our local people. While I was in California, on my husband assignment, a white retired teacher asked me this question "Her new neighbors are graduates of American universities holding MBA and PHD and why aren't they return to their countries and improve the living conditions???" 

Asians from Taiwan, China, Malaysia and India complained within their own community in Silicon Valley, so don't pin point that only Singaporeans complained. If you know Japanese people well, you will know that they like to complain, too just like my MIL. American way of complaining
is demonstration in the streets.

So foreigners who are arrogant, it is better to work in your own country. If you are so talent, then finding a high paid job  in your own country should be no problem at all. Just like my husband company in US, many
with degrees but not many can work well.

[Quota]

There's a quota for people in certain professions.  It looks like the demand for highly-paid ones may have reached saturation point.  Perhaps the government is now looking at Diploma holders who can take up technical and admin jobs that Singaporeans don't want to do. 

15 years ago, in Australia and NZ, the authorities set aside a quota for those with mechanical and plumbing skills because there's a demand for such services.  The locals were not interested in such jobs.

[Burmese_Boy]

Burmese citizen. Working in Singapore for 9 months already, holding Singapore EP, with average salary of S$3,500.
Australian Uni grad (degree holder), working in Finance field. Age 22.
Got rejected last week. All they say in the letter was "...We have considered your application carefully. We regret to inform you that your application has not been successful."
And nothing else. When i submitted the PR application, I had reference from my boss, my relative PR family recommendation, police clearance, and my personal letter of why I want PR.

I guess PR rules in Singapore has changed.

[siddharth.kumar09]

DEAR ALL,

i have been promised a LPR by a consultant in India. Also he is promising a job in Singapore with LPR.

is it a catch or is it true.what is a difference between EP & LPR..does LPR ensure that i have a job in Singapore or will i have to search for a job when i land in Singapore...

Does EP ensure that i receive an offer letter in advance from a company in singapore..

which is better an EP or LPR...

kindly help and suggest..

siddharth...

[Understandable]

Burmese citizen. Working in Singapore for 9 months already, holding Singapore EP, with average salary of S$3,500.
Australian Uni grad (degree holder), working in Finance field. Age 22.
Got rejected last week. All they say in the letter was "...We have considered your application carefully. We regret to inform you that your application has not been successful."
And nothing else. When i submitted the PR application, I had reference from my boss, my relative PR family recommendation, police clearance, and my personal letter of why I want PR.

I guess PR rules in Singapore has changed.

Yes, they now want people who have something to offer.  22 year old on a crap salary doesn't fit the model.