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« Reply #15 on: 02 June 2001, 0:04:00 am »
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Here are a couple of semi-pro analysis programmes.
http://www.pmpublishing.com/webpop/index.html
http://www.fintools.com/products.html

You could also ask your clearing firm - they will have one and might let you use it.  If you are trading electronically, lots of ISVs will provide pricing and risk software.  Examples are RTS and Patsystems.  I think they have offices in Singapore.

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« Reply #16 on: 02 June 2001, 9:16:00 am »
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Saw it coming a while back. Like many of the guys, took a career change. You could say I went from being one of the animals to being a zookeeper.  

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« Reply #17 on: 02 June 2001, 12:08:00 pm »
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i dont do much with retail type clients but from what i have seen most individuals who speculate in options markets tend to do it from a short vol perspective ("look at all this yummy premium I am getting paid") hence the long gamma comment.

if you want a decent mid- level treatment of financial math the most user friendly text out there is probably paul wilmott, derivatives.  anyone with undergrad stats will easily get thru it and find it provides, more importantly than the math, an intuitive grasp of the concepts.

back to the original question though, i seriously dont think you get a huge benefit from using anything more sophisticated than black-scholes even for american options as long as the underlying meets the obvious criteria.  i have access in my job to quite a few different models but we tend to use black scholes (albeit with minor fudges) for pricing individual vanilla positions, for pricing the overall portfolio of risk simulations are a major test to make sure the trading desk view of net risk is supportable, especially if the book includes any non-vanilla positions.  much more value added (in a trading sense) comes from making serious attempts to model a volatility term structure as this is where opportunities to take a sensible view are greater, in its basic form its not even complicated, the first input is just a look at the calendar and assigning weights to various days which will likely have an effect on volatility.  

if you have a supportable view that the market (or more happily, a client!) is mispricing volatility thats much more important than the choice of model you are using to price options or determine implied vol. if the approach to estimating your parameters is internally consistent value then becomes relative rather than absolute. everyone on the street now has access to the same technology so relying too heavily on a particular model leads you unwittingly down the path of model arbitrage which usually means a looming road accident.  in the real world, adjustments and fudges to simpler models based on previous experience (usually negative) or fear of future uncertainty (ie scary what ifs - what happens if we get a 5 sd event - shouldnt happen even once in our lifetime yet i can think of several in the last 10 years in the fixed income world without even trying.  at the end of the day actual volatility cannot be determined and future volatility cant be predicted.  

perhaps the most honest statement (and maybe the only one) you'll ever get from the investment banking world is that past performance is no predictor of future performance.  funnily enough, that is also the most likely statement to be ignored by investors.

one last thought is that the biggest search in finance (in the new brave world of less prop trading and more fee based income) is not necessarily the search for better technology, but the search for new clients who dont have access to your existing technology...... the excessive personal returns in investment banking referred to elsewhere on this site still happily exist but they are going to a smaller proportion of employees, and certainly in US firms, an icreasing percentage of comp is being locked up in 3 to 5 year vesting schemes.  bring back the early 90s!

i'm not sure if thats helpful to you but regardless, i've finished thinking about work this week, after finishing last night at midnight its now my weekend!

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« Reply #18 on: 02 June 2001, 12:31:00 pm »
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You mention a concepts that make me require a model. One being the need to know my position if there is a 5 sd move. Two being that I can value strikes relative to eachother. I presumed the days of anyone selling anything bid above their theoreticals to be gone, although hope springs eternal. Not looking for a kick ass jump diffusion model so as to perform model arbitrage on unstable forward term markets. Just lookin for a regular integrated front/back end model, without shelling out what the American want for it( they still treat it like it is the holy grail of trading). Just want some solid maths and some sheets to perform some small things like skew functions.

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« Reply #19 on: 02 June 2001, 20:17:00 pm »
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Options trader - if you can programme in visual basic or C++ or anything I can send you a .dll file containing a theo calculator (Black Scholes, Binomial).  Still, for the Euroyen you need to decide what to set as your zero level - yet another unknown for the model.
People still sell anything over their sheets in some products (eg the Bund), but I can't imagine wanting to be long the Euroyen (or short it for that matter).  
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« Reply #20 on: 05 June 2001, 21:06:00 pm »
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You have found my achilles tendon, no programming skills. Appreciate the offer though.

1bid,3ask is the ATM for m01 Euroyen!

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