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Medically Challenged
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« on: 26 September 2001, 13:45:00 pm »

Hi all Smiley

My wife is nearing the end of her first trimester and we're beginning to shop around for a hospital/clinic to take care of all of the realted stuff. I've just learned that for Raffles Hospital (which is where we are at now) to take care of birth matters it will set us back about $10K. Needless to say, I'm not particularly thrilled about that since I am the only one working in da fambly and I am not a hotshot CEO Smiley Hence, I'd like to know what other options are available (Gleneagles?), since neither myself nor my wife know any doctors, medical centers and/or people who've had their kids in Singapore. To top it all off, its going to be our first, so both of us are pretty much clueless. Sad Any advice from veteran moms/dads out there? Much appreciated! Smiley

Please feel free to e-mail me at lomakin.c@mosnar.com

Thanks!

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BelleB
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« Reply #1 on: 26 September 2001, 16:30:00 pm »

I had my first baby here in Singapore in July at Thompson Medical centre, and it was cheaper than that, and also a very nice place; it's a women's and children's hospital only.  It has the advantage of having the best neo-natal ICU right there if anything goes wrong (which we hope it will not, touch wood, etc.).  Mt. Alvernia Hospital, which is also nice, is cheaper still.  My doctor was Dr. Shirin Jacob at the Camden Medical Centre; she has a practice there called "In the company of women."  Complete pre-natal package with scans is $900, delivery charges are around 1,500-2,000 depending.   I think she is probably one of the pricier doctors but she is really wonderful.  I also recommend the Mother and Child Centre in Tanglin Mall.  They have pre-natal classes, a well-baby clinic for weighings, mother's groups, lactation consultants, and could also give other advice.  Good luck!
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« Reply #2 on: 26 September 2001, 19:12:00 pm »

BelleB

You say Shirin Jacobs charges $900 + $1000-$2000 for delivery but how much does the hospital charge?

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« Reply #3 on: 26 September 2001, 19:21:00 pm »

Maybe KK women & children hospital will charge less coz it's a public hospital? I heard most Singaporeans were born there.
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Sunny
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« Reply #4 on: 26 September 2001, 21:31:00 pm »

For Singaporean, if we want a cheaper one, we will go for KK. Next best is Mt Alvernia. The rest is more expensive.
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KK Hospital
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« Reply #5 on: 26 September 2001, 21:52:00 pm »

Government hospitals like KK and NUH are only charge the subsidised rates when you're Singaporean or are a work permit holder. Unfortunately, dependent pass holders (even if you have a Letter of Consent and are thus working in Singapore!) have to pay a surcharge of 30% on all treatments (not on medication), making it as expensive (or even more expensive in some cases) as going to a privat hospital....... The average bill size for a delivery at KK (staying at a single room) is S$4100.-
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« Reply #6 on: 26 September 2001, 21:55:00 pm »

Forgot to mention the additional costs of the daily neonatal hospital charges, which are S$60.- per day and go up to S$520.- for intensive care.
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« Reply #7 on: 26 September 2001, 22:29:00 pm »

Medically Challanged I think you need to state your priorities for the medical care of your pregnant wife and new baby.  Are they top medical care, costs, and/or a good obstatrician that you trust and that can relate to you?

OK, good medical care is expensive in Singapore, but it is a matter of priorities.  Sure, most pregnancies and births are straight forward - but there are a lot that just aren't (including mine) and they are the times when you thank heaven that you invested in top medical care.

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AR
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« Reply #8 on: 27 September 2001, 1:15:00 am »

Medically Challenged,

I delivered my baby 3 weeks ago at Thomson, I paid $2,319 for 3-day private one-bed room and the pediatrician. My doctor charged me around $2,100 for pre-natal checkups and delivery. I am happy with the service there.

Thomson's hospital tour is on Fri at 11am, meet at the public relation (lobby). Go take a look. They also will explain their charges.

Good luck!

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« Reply #9 on: 27 September 2001, 7:05:00 am »

Is it common to test for toxoplasmosis?  Have any of you tested for it when you were pregnant.  Any comments would be much appreciated.  Thank you :-)
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bebe
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« Reply #10 on: 27 September 2001, 13:06:00 pm »

You'll have to do a full blood screen anyway to check for blood type, haemoglobin levels, antibodies, presence of herpes/HIV, rubella immunity and toxoplasmosis etc.  I did this as soon as I found out I was pregnant.  The hospital won't let you in without it!!

The big good hospitals do offer package prices for standard births.

I have been paying as I go, and have spent about $2500 so far on obs visits, scans and tests.  Now there is only the delivery which we expect will come out at about $6k including hospital fees and obs fees.  To be honest, we haven't noticed paying out $150 here and there, but we did set aside money from the beginning for the delivery and any complications.

Just a  note.  Here there is a perception that expats have heaps to spend and/or fab insurance.  That combines with a fear of anything going wrong for us mouthy foreigners, and the obs is likely to perform a scan every visit.  It isn't needed!!  Talk to your friends back home, they will have 2 scans or maybe three the whole time, and the number of visits they have will be much less too.  the overkill here adds another thousand on to the costs - each extra scan is $60 or so, and much as it has been great to say hi to the baby every visit, I do question the necessity.

Best of luck!

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Medically Challenged
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« Reply #11 on: 27 September 2001, 15:04:00 pm »

Well, back home you have the option of going to a public clinic and have everything done for free starting from day one... or you have the choice to find a good doctor and pay him maybe $300-500 for the whole thing. Room rates are dirt cheap as well, if you aren't looking for ones with gold-plated toilets. And aye, there is not much need for a scan done every visit, like local docs seem to insist.

Actually, what does all that cash you pay your doctor buy you in terms of services? Just his/her presence during delivery, or something else as well?

At this point it looks like it'll be cheaper to fly home first class and pay everyone having any relation to childbirth, than have a baby here   Shucks!

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« Reply #12 on: 27 September 2001, 21:12:00 pm »

If you are after an active birth here in Singapore Thomson Medical Centre is the place to go. They are the only hospital that actively caters for women who want to be upright and on the move. They also have a low intervention birthing room with a big tub and a birthing stool. They are pretty good at supplying a friendly face too. The other private hospitals will better provide you with a sumptuous enviornment and this may well be more of a priority for you. The standard of obstetrics here is generally good but it is quite a financial racquet and as you know they charge heaps. They will encourage you to have maximal investigation and intervention that is totally over the top in normal pregnancy and charge you a fortune for the honour. Don't fall into the trap of paying for a package. A common ploy here in Singapore is for the ob to be ever so sweet and charming until you hand over the cash and then you are surprised at the next visit when they can't wait to get you out of the door. If you don't like it, tough! They will keep your money and encourage you to go elsewhere. Again, doctors I would recommend for an active birth are Dr TC Chang and Dr Paul Tseng both with rooms at Thomson Medical Centre. I recommend the web site www.parentlink.org  for information on giving birth in Singapore. They also provide a doula service for those that want an extra person for support during labour and antenatal classes.
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bebe
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« Reply #13 on: 28 September 2001, 14:34:00 pm »

Medically Challenged

Unfortunately here in Sgp you have to pay for medical care even if you're a local.  Locals are subsidised because they have paid taxes all those years whereas we expats just turn up for a few years then leave!  Fair enough, we can't expect our own welfare states to follow us around the world, but it's still irritating to those of us on the (not) receiving end!!

I'm 36 weeks pg and completed my last flight last week.  It was only 4 hours, but I was quite uncomfortable, and it took me a day or so to get over it.  Airlines won't let you fly after 35 weeks unless you have a seriously valid reason and medical certs etc etc.  Too much paperwork and still the possibility they will not let you board!  For a long haul you might want to think twice about it.

I guess you're from Australia or NZ with the options you gave.  I do know people who flew back to the UK (a longer flight than Aus/NZ) at 7 months because they weren't willing to pay the Sgp rates.  If you don't work and have family to stay with, then I would certainly consider that idea.  You can arrange the birth beforehand and have check-ups etc when you arrive there.  That way you just have the necessary check-ups here before you go.  Why not find a doc back home (talk to your old GP as a start) to talk to about it, and see if he/she would be willing to take you on?  If they are, then you can plan from now and they can tell you when to go for what scans etc.

It's easy to get scans done at Asia-medical etc even with a note from a doc overseas, or you could get an obs here to oversee it (with you second-opinion-ing with your chosen doc back home).  There is a fab screening/lab place in Cairnhill Tower or Place which is accessed from the car park (floor 10 I think).  They have great equipment and doctors and would be happy, I'm sure, to help you out.

That way you just get scans and tests which are necessary, and pay for them as you go.

I am told that an obs is required for a delivery in Sgp, and I know they don't get paid unless they deliver the baby!  I also have a midwife friend who works here and she said often a lot of the bigger names (and my obs is one of them!) just breeze in and out for the last short time of delivery, leaving the rest to the midwives.  If I was paying myself and money was tight, i would be a bit peeved at that!!  Also, if you have a quick delivery, they may not even get there on time!  My friend is trying to get a licence to do home deliveries (as midwives can do in the UK and Aus), but she is finding it hard to get insurance.  Sgp govt has just said this practice will be allowed, but so far no midwives are offering it.

I've been doing a quick sum of the costs we have incurred and what for and what we are likely to incur for delivery, and I think the minimum you can get away with is $5000 from conception to post-delivery.  My biggest worry, paying for it myself and with no insurance, would be if something happened away from what is considered "normal", or I had complications, or the baby needed ICU/treatment immediately after birth.  In my job I have seen invoices for prem babies who have had 3 weeks of ICU hospitalisation and they are $20k.  The highest I have seen so far was $48k!!!  Scary figures, and very low probability, but a fact all the same.

Just one last idea - have you tried talking to the midwives at Mother & Child, as maybe they could help you out if you are wanting to go for a delivery back home?  After all, they are Brits/Aussies and in both those countries they would be the person you saw for check-ups and not an obs.

It's a tough decision, if you want to talk it through, email me alibags@hotmail.com

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