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« on: 03 July 2001, 14:53:00 pm »

Hi,

I have recently spent hours surfing the forums on this site...a great read. I have been offered a posting with my company and am contemplating the decision to relocate. I have a couple of lifestyle questions though...

What is life like for the single career girl in Singapore? I am a happy carefree Sydney girl and love a challenge or adventure. I have a good social life here in OZ but hope that I will advance my career and meet lots of new friends in Singapore if I came. Living OS has always been a dream.

I would be on a local package and thus would not be able to (or really want to!) live on my own. What are the options like for share accomadation and does anyone know of any agencies that can help out in this area. I would like to get an idea of cost etc before committing to a contract.

Any comments, thoughts or experiences would be most appreciated.

Cheers...

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« Reply #1 on: 03 July 2001, 14:58:00 pm »

hi,

you could start by reading two postings by "New Aussie Lass" - I think she asked similar questions.

If you're on a local package, and do not want to live on your own, what some expats have done is to rent a room in an HDB flat. Relatively cheaper, but takes some getting used to (size-wise esp).

good luck with ur decision.

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« Reply #2 on: 03 July 2001, 16:53:00 pm »

I would like to warn you about a couple of things from my experiences. (i am a sydney boy, moved here a year ago, mid 20's, on a local package.)

1. accomodation will be about $1000 shared for a decent place in a decent location near transport mrt. your own condo will be from about $1700 for 1 br in a decent city location. i have a 5yr old 3br place for $2000 in the city area. for a newish condo with pool, gym, tennis maybe increase the budget to $2600/mth.

2. General living cheaply costs about $1500 per month for eating out a cheaper food courts, a few groceries, a few bills, a bit of sushi. Some people might tell you more or less - guess it depends on what you're used to. i am a A$60k manly guy just for your comparison.

3. Note that unless you are on probably more than about $5000 mth you may not be able to get away every few weeks like a lot of expats here seem to do. less than that is too much financial stress.

4. There is really very little do here in singapore - after you have checked out all ths sights in say 6mth (doing it real slow) then all there is to do is shopping and eating out and drinking. you can bike ride on the east coast, things like that, i guess, but without a car its a hassle and gets expensive. as an example, going to bintan island with taxis, ferries, round of golf, windsurfing, lunch would cost me about $350 for the day. in sydney that was a free weekend for me!

5. when i came here, one of mates said that $6k/mth is the min you need to enjoy life here. I think that he is correct. i enjoy life in sydney taking home $3k/mth, but think that life here is just acceptable taking home double that. miss paddington, manly, palm beach, narrabeen beaches, driving across the bridge everyday  

6. think the work opportunities and experience are a big consideration. definately there are some fantastic opportunities here especially for expats on a local package.

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« Reply #3 on: 04 July 2001, 9:30:00 am »

Thank you BE PREPARED for your advice. A big decision to make as I have to almost assume I will be 'paying' for my Singapore experience. My salary would be ~S$5000/month- but I wouldn't be saving any money as I could at home.

Are you enjoying yourself? Have you made/met many new friends?

Thanks again...

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« Reply #4 on: 04 July 2001, 9:54:00 am »

I'm from Australia and have been here for over a year now and would agree with Be Prepared.

Just to give you an idea I started here on about $4.5K and am now on $6 - I share a flat for about $800 per month in a central, nice location. If I don't spend too much on alcohol and clothes then am able to save a couple of thousand a month as tax is v. low.

But would agree about needing to go away about once a month as there is limited things to do unless you like outdoor activities - then there are loads of things like cycling, rollerblading, hiking at reservoirs (but have to admit, variety of locations is limited).  But there are great travelling opportunities close by eg a diving weekend in Malaysia is around $350 (which you could easily spend in a weekend in Sing on food and booze).

Career wise it has been very good with lots of opportunities - but can be a bit hard culturally sometimes especially at first.  

I'll stop rambling now, but generally it has been a very positive experience - people are very friendly and I have made alot of friends in similar situation - 20's single...

I would recommend giving it a go if you are prepared to come with an open mind.  I was in a similar situation to you before I came and am glad I decided to give it a go.

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« Reply #5 on: 04 July 2001, 10:26:00 am »

Girls,

I am doing the total opposite. I am finally packing my bags and leaving for Sydney for good (hopefully!!). Any pointers as I will be alone in Sydney? I've lived in Aust before but that was as a uni student and I expect it would be different now.

All advice welcomed.

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« Reply #6 on: 05 July 2001, 9:13:00 am »

Aussie Chick - thanks for the great feedback.
I would love to hear of your experiences (and any from anyone else) ie how you went about finding a place to live (share accom), getting your life in order and making new friends...
So if you have a few spare minutes I would love to hear your tales. My email is sarahpadley@hotmail.com. Thanks heaps.
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« Reply #7 on: 05 July 2001, 17:51:00 pm »

on my own,

I moved here on my own from Sydney just 3 wks ago so I'm not sure I can help much but just as a comment, I am finding it a bit of a challenge to be a 'career girl' here.   At least different than in Toronto (where I'm from) and in Sydney.  I suppose it also depends on what you do as well.  I'm also on a local package.

Other than that, from first impressions, I think life here will be a lot of fun.  Most people seem quite friendly .. although maybe not quite as outgoing as aussies : )

Tomorrow I am returning to Sydney on business for 2 wks so if you want to have a coffee & chat about my experiences (as limited as they are), my email is at the top of this post.

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« Reply #8 on: 08 July 2001, 11:47:00 am »

First of all, for a single person - $5,000 still allows a decent life here in Singapore - relax. Come on over and enjoy the adventure! There is much to be discovered beyond the shores of Vaucluse and Manly and I'm the better for it.

By the way, I'm on S$5,000 a month. I don't have a condo with a pool but am having a great time. I am still suffering from the novelty of not paying 49 cents on tax for every dollar I earn!

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« Reply #9 on: 08 July 2001, 14:18:00 pm »

Hi On my own,

Whilst Singapore is a fantastic place to advance a career it is better if you arrive with a relatively good well paid position rather than on local terms. Then a few years in Singapore pays off (I am on my way to a great job in Europe now). If you are a totally career focused person like myself I recommend it. If you are after adventure try any other place than Singapore - Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Indochina, China etc there you will have a wonderful time and money will likely not matter so much.

Unfortunately outdoor activities here are more limited than in Australia so many people come here for the money and career as a priority. Also unfortunately many of the expats here are very unaccepting of foreign people on low wages here. From my experience I have found most expats here totally disgusting and condacending if :
- You earn a lower salary than them
- Don't have a car
- Belong to the wrong clubs
- Marry and Asian girl (as I did)
- etc (read some of the posts to get a flavour)

I myself have a fairly good salary of $18k however I find that for people earning more than this say $25-$35k in my industry or at social gatterings they will not want to associate with me. Also jobs titles mean a great deal here. An Expat CEO or MD would only want to be seen with other CEOs and MD's etc. The wives are often the worst always comparing their husbands salaries and positions !

Don't rush away from Sydney too quickly without heaps of consideration it really is without a doubt the most wonderful place in the world.

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« Reply #10 on: 10 July 2001, 15:57:00 pm »

Mega Dilemma, I am sitting with a copy of today's Straits Times classifieds section in front of me (as I am busy working expat) and I would like to give you some concrete advice (in terms of figures) as opposed to yes it is enough/no it isn't enough. Evaluate for yourself.

US$12,000 is approximately S$22,000 (which equates to S$264,000 per annum).

The most expensive apartment I can find in today's issue is S$19,000 per month for a 6 bedroom, 4,800 sft penthouse in 7 Nassim (wherever that is?). (I found a Balinese house in Andrew Road for S$30,000 per month, but assumed that you wouldn't want to spend more than your husband's income just for a roof over your head.) I am sure that this would be ideal for a family with three teenage children, but would only leave you with S$36,000 to live on for the rest of the year. This would probably not even cover your tax bill, so I can safely say that this is not the best option for you.

The cheapest that I can find is a room to rent for S$250 per month, which would leave you with a massive disposable income of S$261,000 for the year, although I am guessing that this would be alittle cramped, especially if you are looking for a maid as well. So once again it can be ruled out as a serious option.

So on a more sensible note, let us conside other options. You can choose to live in the Centre of Singapore, the East, or the West. You could aslo choose to live in the centre or the North, but nobody else does.

Let us look at a variety of options in these areas.

Central: A four bedroom townhouse with private garden close to Somerset MRT station for S$8.5k per month (neg). A little expensive at first glance, but it does come with membership to the Pinetree club, or Fort Canning. And it also gives you discounts at the Ritz Carlton, the Conrad, and the Regent hotels. Or alternatively, you could opt for something a little less salubrious such as a 4 bedroom apartment in Central Green opposite an MRT station. It is a high floor unit for a paltry S$4,400 per month.

West: Holland Village area, 4 bedrooms, f/furn, S$4k up. Not much of a description I admit, but Tuesday isn't the greatest day for house hunting.

East: Astoria Park, adjacent to Kembangan MRT, high floor, 4 bedrooms, 1200sft, pool, clubhouse etc., f/furn. S$2.5k per month.

It is open to a no doubt lively (and snobbish) debate as to which of these options would be most suitable, but it is a very subjective question. Personally, I think that Holland village is too full of expats and nowhere near an MRT. And I also feel that living in amongst the concrete of the CBD would be too over bearing. I happen to live on the East Coast, and find that Siglap has a "village" feel to it, and that the East Coast Park is good for family outings at weekends. Although, possibly not as much for teenagers. But I am sure that you have read the countless protestations on this site that there is nothing to do here other than shop and eat anyway.

You said that you are quite prepared for public transport, so if it was my money (which it so clearly isn't) I would opt for the Astoria Park option. It allows you S$19,500 left over each month from your husbands salary. The gate to the place is 10 yards (literally) from the MRT station, which also has a taxi stand and bus stops.

Having said that, I also find in the calssifieds today, that a 2 litre MPV Dion (ideal for that family of yours) can be leased for S$2500 per month.

So, just for the sake of argument, for S$5,000 per month, you could be living in a 5 year old, 4 bedroom condo with pool etc., right next to an MRT station (yet without the noise I hasten to add, as I know people that live in this particular development) that has a taxi stand and bus stops attached, and also be driving a vehicle of your own.

So what can we spend the remaining S$17,000 per month on? Well, don't forget to put aside 15% for taxation purposes, which is S$3,300 of your husbands gross salary, leaving you with just S$13,700 to live on each month.

I do not have a live in maid, but I seem to remember being told that one can be enslaved for as little as S$600 per month, so assuming you overpaid, that would leave you with S$13,000.

Club memberships vary greatly, but I recall seeing membership to the British clud advertised recently on an instalment plan which worked out at less than S$1000 per month, so you would still ahve S$12,000 per month from which you would need to exist.

I am sure that you are going to need cable television, and broadband access for your children's internet gaming (or possibly educational) needs, so this combined with mobile telephone bills for them (as they wouldn't want to be embarassed at school by not having the latest Nokia) and electricity and water bills, should come to no more than S$1,000 per month.

So now we are down to S$11,000 and here is where I seek advice from those of you that have children in school here (or more importantly those of you that have to worry about what it costs to put children into private educational facilities here).

But being as that I am a busy expat with lots of work to do, I have just searched the
Independent schools database in the UK, and discovered that it costs, on average, approximately £7,000 per year for public (private) schools in the UK. So using this as a benchmark, that would give us a figure of S$4,500 per month to be set aside for school fees for your children.

Which brings us down to a rather worrying S$6,500 per month on which to survive. Once we have taken two annual family holidays into account at a cost of S$15,000 each, and a weekend in Bintan each month at a cost of S$1,000 each (staying at Bintan Lagoon, not the Banyan Tree), then you are left with only S$3,000 per month (or S$100 per day) for food, and petrol for your MPV.

And all this without being able to go to Prada, Ferragamo, Gucci etc to keep up with all the other expats worrying about how to survive on a salary equivalent to the national debt of a small country.

So to all those of you that mock this lady's mega dilemma, just take heed that it is not easy to survive. But it all depends on the lifestyle that you want to lead.

Maybe you should go for the S$250 a month room and forgo the MPV and the maid. Also consider the possibility of sending your children to local schools, or maybe even of sending them out to get jobs. And forget going on holidays. Singapore is a wonderful place to be after all. Because that way, you will be able to shop and dine in all the right places, and be seen to go to the right parties and live a fulfilling expat life.

From whence I originate, this is called "fur coat and no knickers (panties)" syndrome, but at least you will be able to survive....

All joking aside, I wish you every luck in your new posting (if it comes off) and I think that US$12,000 should be manageable for a family to live on. But it really  does depend on the lifestyle that you want to lead.

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« Reply #11 on: 10 July 2001, 17:47:00 pm »

I'd seriously consider doing your homework in Sydney before making any move.  A lot depends on your profession.  In particular, go to the best global job agencies in your field of work, and just chat to them about the general market conditions in Singapore and what you can expect to earn.   Also keep your mind open, as there could be other alternatives, such as HK or Japan.

I've worked in several finance positions in Sydney and Singapore - I've seen that there is a lot more disparity (and less transparency) in pay rates in Singapore compared to Sydney, so it really pays to be well informed.  (Basically, don't get screwed).  Throughout the whole process, remember that you are not in a desparate situation, so there is no reason why you cannot "bend" a local package.

I think $5K a month is stretching things if you want to enjoy yourself here.  Personally speaking, weekends can be a bit monotonous - (no doubt some people here will disagree) - there is not as much outdoor activity or pleasant beaches/parks/cafes etc as Sydney, and you can forget about having a car.  Travelling away from Singapore on weekends is not like hopping in a car and escaping in Sydney.  It either involves going through a horrendous border crossing to Malaysia or an expensive flight - you can easily spend $700 on one weekend away.  I don't mean to be negative here, but it is a reality that sets in after you have been here a few months.

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« Reply #12 on: 10 July 2001, 19:30:00 pm »

Expats DO have a far greater deal than locals where jobs are concerned. There are like hundreds of Uni grads hunting for jobs at half of $5 k.
If you're here on a local package, are you game to live like a local? For a start, rent a room at a HDB apartment - costs @ $250 per month inclusive of water & electricity bills. Eat your meals at food centres or low-priced eateries. Travel by public transport (Singapore has one of the world's best public transportation). Make friends with locals and they will take you along with them whatever they do for recreations.
If you're willing and prepared to do the above, you'll only spend two-fifths or less of your salary.
Working overseas does contribute to your CV (resume) so take the 2 years' or more contract as a working experience rather than a holiday experience.
It is true Singapore has not much to offer in terms of fun but we locals spend a lot of time with friends (having a cup of coffee and talking about everything under the sun); watch movies or TV/read if you prefer to be alone; take up evening courses to further upgrade yourself; and maybe you'll meet that special someone who'll be keeping you plenty occupied.  
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« Reply #13 on: 13 July 2001, 21:55:00 pm »

Its easy to get by here on 5K a month..I make around that much and send back around 2700/month for student loans back in the mother country...Knock 1000 for rent, 300 for bills and i usually only have 700 or 800/month for spending but the nightlife here, for all the glitz is no match for other cities with a similar population....if you like gym, outdoor activity, reading etc....you'll have no problems.
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