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« Reply #15 on: 06 July 2001, 13:04:00 pm »

I totally agree with you,seriousD.
It seems for some people it's never enough money!!!.
I think by now everyone should have an idea the cost of living in Singapore.(it's becoming a little bit boring,same questions everyday)
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« Reply #16 on: 06 July 2001, 14:34:00 pm »

SeriousD & Al -
shall I take you "seriously" ?
Your comments do not dignify an answer, however I'm in that sort of mood this evening , one that will dish out an  answer...or two......

The reason for this expat page is to offer first hand info covering all possible subjects-if you're tired of reading such things...you have a choice-

Are you also expats.....not from a third world country?  No offence intended to ANY folk from Third World Countries-I'm just comparing some of the
different benefits  gained  - for instance, a person from Pakistan etc., is  NOT new to the idea of maids etc., they have it all, maids, some have drivers etc., ...so S'pore, for instance,  will offer a different benefit to somebody from Pakistan as oposed to somebody from Denmark...if you  understand what I mean.  In our case, the benefit gained  will  be more corporate experience for my husband who is 3/4 of the way up the ladder and can easily be knocked off at any time  (too many mergers  going on right now!) - for the family...well, the obvious, more  cultural awareness and appreciation of  other  ways&means.

To set the record straight.....
We already happen to belong to a country club (we pay for it, not the company)-
we also have domestic help-three times a week....(we pay for it, not the company) ,
we already own a home -
we don't need to go to S'pore for any of the above  

So serious D & Al-
You both get a reality check and start thinking that just because a family transfers elsewhere (not just to S'pore) - the reasons are not just because of  money/or these fringe benefits.....
We have to weigh the pros & cons before making decisions that affect the whole family.  Empire??  pulleeze, I'd be the first to kick him out if that attitude ever steps into the house...My husband is not a 9 to 5 employee-he travels extensively - w/ends too, works long hours,  we have two sons who are heading to college in three/four years....their feet are still grounded to planet earth, they do community work and have seen what some of life's highs can do to bring a person down

I am entitled to use this page, I have had some good people reply and they have given me a wealth of information-which is what I was after -
FYI, I DID read thru other pages/threads to attempt to get info but as you see, sometimes you get conflicting reports so in my opinon, the best thing for me to do was to ask about  OUR  situation...


Oh, and did I tell you...apart from the Club, the help and the house...we also have seasons-!  ;-)

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« Reply #17 on: 06 July 2001, 15:09:00 pm »

Is it just me, or does anyone get the feeling that it is the poor guy, who is being driven crazy.

Do not know if he reads this board, but if it was I, and I saw where my spouse was saying these things under that caption, and 'ganging up on me' with strangers.
Not to mention all my business on the world wide web.

Again is it just me or are those three things among the most hated things you could do to a man.

Well, I know I would not be married still.
Sometimes we want things for other people, that they do not want for themselves.
Get it, then we ask them to allow US OUR rights.

Whatever the truth of the situation, I would ceratinly not want to be that guy. pheeeew!!!

Er, and Serious D and Al I support you, Singapore is where, "not-so-well-off-in-their-own-country-expats, gets to play lord of the manor.
So everyone wants to come to Singapore.

Its the Working Class's Beverly Hills outpost

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MP
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« Reply #18 on: 06 July 2001, 16:45:00 pm »

Well done "mega dilemma" for supporting your hubby and family in every way you can.  I couldn't help giving you a positive after that negative!!!  Often, as lots of us expats know, it is the wife who does the background digging on more than just the figures.  I know my hubby was very happy with info i gave him - obiously the last person has never been in a situation where he has had such complete and unselfish backing!  Shame that!  (oh dear I'm getting snippy!)
It is diffiiculy settling in to Singapore, we have moved around a lot and are finding it interesting, but not home!  Our decision to give it a bash , was helped by the GOOD advice given on this board (sift out the envious) and good luck with your decision!
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« Reply #19 on: 06 July 2001, 17:05:00 pm »

Well, mega dilemma, you see how things can weir completely off track on this message board.

Happy to see that you haven't got a problem with speaking (ehr, typing?) your mind, and to 'local sounding off' can only reassure you that a few husbands don't really mind having capable and competent spouses helping them out, giving them a kick in the right direction once in a while... For what it's worth, this is most likely determined by culture as well.

Mega Dilemma - do hope you will get around to coming to Singapore and that you till then and once you are here, will feel inclined to post a few replies to the various postings!

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« Reply #20 on: 06 July 2001, 19:05:00 pm »

Well mega-dilemma, you not only tell everybody where to get off, you also gave them cab fare, and directions....ha.
and told more of the fanily business, on the www, just like local sounding off, said.

Very tenacious, but I think local sounding off kinda hit  on something, when he said somebody else was being crazy.

See your line where you say you would be the firs to kick him out, is this the same guy that works so hard, etc, etc, and if he gets airs, he gets kicked out. it is he who works, no, well, well,.
That is what the world has come to women kicking out men, and putting it on the www.

a mega dilemma indeed

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« Reply #21 on: 06 July 2001, 19:21:00 pm »

Hello all

This "portal" of discussions that occur on this board is meant to be all things (helpful, funny, interactive ....etc....)
Why do people need to resort to being heavy handed or retorting in pompous tones so that they can stay relatively anonymous and perhaps say "Yes -i really told him/her"??? - sounds like some deficiencies in the make-up of the individual to me.

Mega Dilemma - all very well sounding our your concerns & situation.....but going off at poor ole "SeriousD".......he has legitimate ground for voicing his opinion.

Light Heartedness & a sense of humour does wonder for people whether they're in S'pore, thinking of coming to S'pore or living on a fat monthly salary or are on the "bones of their arse".

Lighten Up & have a tremendous day.

btw: i think you'll find that USD 12k is more than adequate - and S'pore is a very unique place, but 1 thing still stays the same:

Some days are s!$%, & some days are good.

Cheers
'loper

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« Reply #22 on: 07 July 2001, 10:28:00 am »

Just some advise I would think that Singapore would be excellent as a career move for your husband. It is in the international city league of NY, London, Paris, HK, Singapore, Sydney etc.

I would think it is a much better place for ones career than Equador (no offence intended)

Honestly the money is okay but by the tone of your posts ie family, maids, car, dog, clubs I think you need around Sing $25k Gross. US$12k gross is not really that great a salary for a senior business man with a family. Sing $25 would be average.

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« Reply #23 on: 08 July 2001, 14:26:00 pm »

Just to clarify - is the $12 just for allowances i.e. in addition to basic salary.  If so, then that is a very generous package, and yes they probably could get another expat cheaper than that.

Another consideration is if you own your own home, you'll probably let it out whilst you are in Singapore so this provides additional income.

You can get a good condo in central area for S$3-5K, don't know about schooling costs though.  Most condos have good facilities so club membership probably not necessary.

We're really glad we made the decision to come to Singapore.  It's a good place to be an expat and I'm told excellent schooling for teenagers.  Plus a great location for visiting other parts of Asia.  There are times when the place will drive you nuts (which is when disgruntled expats post complaints on this board and start off the 'extreme' threads!).

Hope whatever you decide works out for you.

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« Reply #24 on: 10 July 2001, 16:07:00 pm »

Mega Dilemma,

I am sitting with a copy of today's Straits Times classifieds section in front of me (as I am busy working expat) and I would like to give you some concrete advice (in terms of figures) as opposed to yes it is enough/no it isn't enough. Evaluate for yourself.

US$12,000 is approximately S$22,000 (which equates to S$264,000 per annum).

The most expensive apartment I can find in today's issue is S$19,000 per month for a 6 bedroom, 4,800 sft penthouse in 7 Nassim (wherever that is?). (I found a Balinese house in Andrew Road for S$30,000 per month, but assumed that you wouldn't want to spend more than your husband's income just for a roof over your head.) I am sure that this would be ideal for a family with three teenage children, but would only leave you with S$36,000 to live on for the rest of the year. This would probably not even cover your tax bill, so I can safely say that this is not the best option for you.

The cheapest that I can find is a room to rent for S$250 per month, which would leave you with a massive disposable income of S$261,000 for the year, although I am guessing that this would be alittle cramped, especially if you are looking for a maid as well. So once again it can be ruled out as a serious option.

So on a more sensible note, let us conside other options. You can choose to live in the Centre of Singapore, the East, or the West. You could aslo choose to live in the centre or the North, but nobody else does.

Let us look at a variety of options in these areas.

Central: A four bedroom townhouse with private garden close to Somerset MRT station for S$8.5k per month (neg). A little expensive at first glance, but it does come with membership to the Pinetree club, or Fort Canning. And it also gives you discounts at the Ritz Carlton, the Conrad, and the Regent hotels. Or alternatively, you could opt for something a little less salubrious such as a 4 bedroom apartment in Central Green opposite an MRT station. It is a high floor unit for a paltry S$4,400 per month.

West: Holland Village area, 4 bedrooms, f/furn, S$4k up. Not much of a description I admit, but Tuesday isn't the greatest day for house hunting.

East: Astoria Park, adjacent to Kembangan MRT, high floor, 4 bedrooms, 1200sft, pool, clubhouse etc., f/furn. S$2.5k per month.

It is open to a no doubt lively (and snobbish) debate as to which of these options would be most suitable, but it is a very subjective question. Personally, I think that Holland village is too full of expats and nowhere near an MRT. And I also feel that living in amongst the concrete of the CBD would be too over bearing. I happen to live on the East Coast, and find that Siglap has a "village" feel to it, and that the East Coast Park is good for family outings at weekends. Although, possibly not as much for teenagers. But I am sure that you have read the countless protestations on this site that there is nothing to do here other than shop and eat anyway.

You said that you are quite prepared for public transport, so if it was my money (which it so clearly isn't) I would opt for the Astoria Park option. It allows you S$19,500 left over each month from your husbands salary. The gate to the place is 10 yards (literally) from the MRT station, which also has a taxi stand and bus stops.

Having said that, I also find in the calssifieds today, that a 2 litre MPV Dion (ideal for that family of yours) can be leased for S$2500 per month.

So, just for the sake of argument, for S$5,000 per month, you could be living in a 5 year old, 4 bedroom condo with pool etc., right next to an MRT station (yet without the noise I hasten to add, as I know people that live in this particular development) that has a taxi stand and bus stops attached, and also be driving a vehicle of your own.

So what can we spend the remaining S$17,000 per month on? Well, don't forget to put aside 15% for taxation purposes, which is S$3,300 of your husbands gross salary, leaving you with just S$13,700 to live on each month.

I do not have a live in maid, but I seem to remember being told that one can be enslaved for as little as S$600 per month, so assuming you overpaid, that would leave you with S$13,000.

Club memberships vary greatly, but I recall seeing membership to the British clud advertised recently on an instalment plan which worked out at less than S$1000 per month, so you would still ahve S$12,000 per month from which you would need to exist.

I am sure that you are going to need cable television, and broadband access for your children's internet gaming (or possibly educational) needs, so this combined with mobile telephone bills for them (as they wouldn't want to be embarassed at school by not having the latest Nokia) and electricity and water bills, should come to no more than S$1,000 per month.

So now we are down to S$11,000 and here is where I seek advice from those of you that have children in school here (or more importantly those of you that have to worry about what it costs to put children into private educational facilities here).

But being as that I am a busy expat with lots of work to do, I have just searched the
Independent schools database in the UK, and discovered that it costs, on average, approximately £7,000 per year for public (private) schools in the UK. So using this as a benchmark, that would give us a figure of S$4,500 per month to be set aside for school fees for your children.

Which brings us down to a rather worrying S$6,500 per month on which to survive. Once we have taken two annual family holidays into account at a cost of S$15,000 each, and a weekend in Bintan each month at a cost of S$1,000 each (staying at Bintan Lagoon, not the Banyan Tree), then you are left with only S$3,000 per month (or S$100 per day) for food, and petrol for your MPV.

And all this without being able to go to Prada, Ferragamo, Gucci etc to keep up with all the other expats worrying about how to survive on a salary equivalent to the national debt of a small country.

So to all those of you that mock this lady's mega dilemma, just take heed that it is not easy to survive. But it all depends on the lifestyle that you want to lead.

Maybe you should go for the S$250 a month room and forgo the MPV and the maid. Also consider the possibility of sending your children to local schools, or maybe even of sending them out to get jobs. And forget going on holidays. Singapore is a wonderful place to be after all. Because that way, you will be able to shop and dine in all the right places, and be seen to go to the right parties and live a fulfilling expat life.

From whence I originate, this is called "fur coat and no knickers (panties)" syndrome, but at least you will be able to survive....

All joking aside, I wish you every luck in your new posting (if it comes off) and I think that US$12,000 should be manageable for a family to live on. But it really  does depend on the lifestyle that you want to lead.

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« Reply #25 on: 10 July 2001, 16:21:00 pm »

*applause*!!!!!!!

Btw, $6,500 is more than 2X my monthly salary... GROSS.  

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« Reply #26 on: 11 July 2001, 6:26:00 am »

classifieds man -

thanks-
it was very good and kind of you to go to all that trouble -
much appreciated

we're on vacation now-
got to put this issue on hold

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