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« Reply #30 on: 02 June 2008, 12:26:53 pm » |
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That is your opinion.
Please cite 3 Nobel Lauriates who share it.
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« Reply #31 on: 02 June 2008, 14:02:37 pm » |
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You're right - I believe the world will eventually put religion in its rightful place as a dangerous, repressive, violent, ignorant and man made social structure.
It won't be deemed a right for a religion not to be questioned critically.
Of course, that is a long way off. The US Supreme Court in Texas has just returned hundreds of children to parents who place them in an environment where it is almost certain they forcebly married to a man (is the child is female) when they are 13 or 14 years old - BUT HEY...THAT'S THEIR FAITH SO ITS ALL OK!
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« Reply #32 on: 02 June 2008, 23:58:45 pm » |
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That is your opinion.
Please cite 3 Nobel Lauriates who share it.
I doubt any New Scientist article ever made it to the prestigious journal Nature, unless it is New Scientist quoting Nature. Of course, that is a long way off. The US Supreme Court in Texas has just returned hundreds of children to parents who place them in an environment where it is almost certain they forcebly married to a man (is the child is female) when they are 13 or 14 years old - BUT HEY...THAT'S THEIR FAITH SO ITS ALL OK! That's a big problem.Scientists have never made any political and legal challenge to what is being taught in religious classes, but clergymen are guilty of the reverse - interfering with what is taught in science classes. Clearly, the problem is clergyman think too big of themselves. |
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« Reply #33 on: 03 June 2008, 8:13:20 am » |
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kaypo - by being a christian you are saying muslims - and everyone who is not a christian is wrong.
if the bible is the one true word of god the koran can't be.
you can't have it both ways. this whole concept of various religous groups living in harmony and respecting each is rubbish. if you offer other religions the chance to have their own god and personal believes you are implying that their views could be correct - and as a result yours could be wrong - that doesn't sound like much faith and conviction in belief to me.
it is all a zero sum game.
by the way, i love how you try to interpret the written word your your god - very humble of you to think you can know the mind the creator of the universe. with ability like that i hope you are not working a regular job.
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« Reply #34 on: 03 June 2008, 13:32:50 pm » |
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To Krazy,
The God of the Bible is as true to me just as Allah, the God of the Koran is true to the Muslims. I've not in anywhere in my previous posts mentioned anything about who's right or wrong. In fact, I've said that I don't want to be judgmental though I know it's very dangerous to insists on one's beliefs and use religion as an excuse to carry out certain deeds e.g. jihad. This is the type of respect you give to your fellow beings - To each his own. This is also what this world needs today and Singapore is one fine example cos this is the only country I can think of where people really respect each other's religions and live in harmony despite differences in race, language and culture. How do you expect to have peaceful sleep every night in a multi-cultured society if the people from different religions, instead of respecting each other, view each other with suspicions and malice? All the killings and fightings in some parts of the world basically result from the lack of respect for each other's religions and beliefs. Again, there's no way I can explain to you on my personal faith and convictions cos you have to experience it for yourself. The only thing that is clearly stopping you from believing in a God is faith or rather the lack of.
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« Reply #35 on: 06 June 2008, 8:00:37 am » |
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For me the most compelling validation of the existance of God and the created unviverse is the concept of time having a begining and an end.
This is the foundation stone of modern cosmology. It is also a recurring theme through out the bible.
For me, there is no way this concept could be dreamed up by early bible authors without divine revelation.
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« Reply #36 on: 08 June 2008, 17:35:47 pm » |
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To PP. I don't see why time having a beginning and end is 'proof' of anything?
It is possible some things are eternal but as everything on earth has a beginning and end we just can't grasp the concept. I don't think we fully understand the concept of 'time'. Who says everything has a beginning and an end?
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« Reply #37 on: 08 June 2008, 17:58:25 pm » |
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Certainly thermodynamics proves that everything ends.
the fact that we are here proves that there was a beginning.
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« Reply #38 on: 10 June 2008, 10:46:53 am » |
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I dont always agree with OM, this time I do.
However a small ammendment.
Thermodynamics do not prove EVERYTHING has a bedinning and an ending.
Thermodynamics only prove that everything in THIS univers, the universe we live in, has a beginning and an ending.
Physical laws do not say and cannot say anything about other universes.
Personally I believe that the reason for our universe to exist had to come from another universe, and thats why we are unable to explain it.
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« Reply #40 on: 23 June 2008, 3:00:19 am » |
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My take is that God is merely a placeholder-concept, and a very useful one at that. It's nice to know The Ultimate Truth - it gives a sense of direction and purpose to be able to explain how we came to be and what our purpose in this world is. But not all of us can waste our lives pursuing the real truth. So we created a proxy-truth, i.e., God, to let us get on with our lives. Scientists on the other hand are perfectly content to put up with the angst of not knowing the truth.
The sooner we all realize that God the concept is a mere existential crutch, the better for us all. The atheists will stop attacking it, because that would be a cruel thing to do. The theists would continue to find joy in their worship of it, because it's an idea very vital to them. All would be at peace.
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« Reply #41 on: 25 June 2008, 11:38:12 am » |
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vishnuMM - the problem with your conclusion is that some theists can find joy in their (relatively harmless) worship, however other theists will continue to plan attacks on abortion clinics, mosques, the estern world and pretty much anyone who is not a 'true believer' because that is what god has instructed them today.
so you won't have happiness and peace because you can't have the self deluding 'i'm a good person and going to heaven because i'm nice' faith without the 'i'm going to heaven because i have slaughtered the infidels' faith.
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« Reply #42 on: 13 July 2008, 0:36:53 am » |
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Actually as an ex-theology student the classic theological line, (found almost across all the new testament) is that the ultimate and only good reason to believe in God is through 'faith'. Or as the Greeks say, Pistis. So 'so called scientific' reasons to believe in God are a little futile. Further faith always implies the possibility of unfaith, and being in error. That is why Thomas Aquinas never believed any of his proofs of reason to be actual proofs, in the ordinary sense. This is the difference between natural theology and revelation.
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