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Author Topic: Salary package for product controller AVP level  (Read 8473 times)
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« Reply #30 on: 01 July 2008, 0:07:04 am »
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To pc dir

A bit off topic. From your experience, does background or where you come from play a part in salary packages, i.e. when you offer someone is there a pay differential  between someone from, say, London moving here versus someone from Mumbai or Manila coming here for exactly the same job or position.  The assumption is both candidates from both regions are qualified to do the job.

Thanks. 

I guess you are not Western for asking this and suspicious you are being short changed?

If not sorry for the presumption.

Ok, to answer.  Short answer is there is no difference, you are paid according to the role.

Long answer is a bit different.  If we want someone to come here from London they expect a housing deal, someone from Manila or India may be happy to come without one, they get what is required to convince them to move.  That said if they both dug in and no-one would move without one (unlikely) race would not be a decider.  Regardless the pay element would be the same.  Also, all things being equal, if a guy in Manila or Mumbai (or Singapore for that matter) will work for us on a local deal then they will be preferred over a Westerner on the same pay who won't move without one (we just did this as it happens), again on your assumption they possess the same skills.

Asians also do get housing deals.  In PC they tend to be people who we are moving from NY or London who have significant experience, same reason, they won't move here without one.  Just did this as well as it happens.

Ultimately most of the people on housing deals are Caucasians as they make up the bulk of people in the biggest two financial centres and we need the experience.  This isn't a package bias it is purely paying what it needs to hire the experience from where it resides.  It is not because they are Caucasian, it is because they are in London or New York, won't move without one and have they experience we can't get without paying for it.

In summary, there is zero pay discrimination.  If you looks at who has housing deals it is the senior Westerners as we can't hire the experience locally and where the experience is happens to be Western dominated.  I fully expect in 5-10 years there will be almost zero housing deals at all (in PC anyway) as the local talent pool (or those willing to live as locals) will have developed to the extent we don't need to pay them, they are already much thinner on the ground.  Westerners will still be equally welcome but paying their own way.  It is all down to economics, supply and demand, more so in a bank than anywhere else.
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« Reply #31 on: 01 July 2008, 12:25:58 pm »
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In short, go west for the exposure. Even if you are mediocre there, you return to Asia as an "experienced" candidate.
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« Reply #32 on: 01 July 2008, 12:43:23 pm »
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In short, go west for the exposure. Even if you are mediocre there, you return to Asia as an "experienced" candidate.

Yes, was long winded, sorry.

One thing that goes against "popular" wisdom, FILTH (or more to the point FILTS) doesn't apply, only good people get shipped these days.
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« Reply #33 on: 02 July 2008, 17:47:17 pm »
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We have 40 employees from 14 nationalities.  Some expat and some local.

The base pay is tied back to home country norms - in all cases.  If a CPA makes SG$2,000 per month in Singapore, that's what we pay.  If we couldn't find one here and brought in a yank - they might get US$5,000 plus expat allowances.

If we hired a Filipino to work here and he makes PHP40,000 per month in Manila, that's what we'd pay him + expat allowances.

I know I will get flamed for this but the logic is simple. We compete on local terms. I'd be an idiot to pay someone US$5,000 if they will do the job and be happy for SG$2,000.  It's supply and demand.

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« Reply #34 on: 02 July 2008, 20:01:53 pm »
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To PP - what industry are you in? banking as well - investment banking/ global markets?
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« Reply #35 on: 03 July 2008, 8:13:44 am »
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My industry is a bit too closed to reveal.

BTW - I probably wasn't completely clear.  If we hire someone already here, regardless of nationality, on local terms, the salary is similar and experienced based.

The difference is if we have to import an expat.

Another reason - If I paid the Filipino guy $5,000 per month for a 3 year expat stint and then sent him back to Manila, would I still pay him $5,000?  When there are 500,000 people there willing and capable to do the job for PHP40,000?

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« Reply #36 on: 03 July 2008, 14:33:47 pm »
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Sorry to go off-topic, but since the PP is giving views on what determines salary in his firm, I'd just like to share how it works in a completely different industry.

I work for a contentious claims consultancy in the O&G/Construction sector, so our salaries are determined by what we can charge our people out for. We only employ people with a substantial number of year's experience in their respective core professions, but as is the case with any consultant work, there is a threshhold on what clients will pay even for the most senior professionals. Unlike commercial entities this of course does place restrictions on the maximum possible salary you could earn before reaching equity director level.

There is no doubt that nationality is a consideration, but if a person is competent, is able to perform and to convey that to our clients his salary is very much based on merit.

We pay local staff  probably double what they would be paid in main stream consultancies. This is less than our British expatriates but not as significant as the PP. Rightly or wrongly our clients will often pay higher fees for a white face.

We could pay our local staff less and still retain them, but my boss is not out to milk the maximum profitability from good people. Across the board if we do a good job, our salaries are reflect that.   
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« Reply #37 on: 03 July 2008, 14:35:49 pm »
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"salaries reflect"  Angry
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