George W Bush's greatest contribution

[Vulcanl]

This one you can't hang on Bush.  The former Soviet bloc states despise and do not trust Russia with good reason.  The will of the people in countries like Georgia, Ukraine and Poland is overwhelmingly to escape Russia's grip. 

I think you're out of your mind to state 'Russia has the moral high ground.'  They are a faded imperial power attempting to re-establish their lost conquests and if not for abundant natural resources would be inconsequential in World affairs.

As usual I don't see the rest of Europe doing much about corralling Russia's aggressive agenda and so the USA will step in to fill that void in leadership.

As for the Middle East there is actually good news coming out of that troubled region.  Iraq and the US are on the cusp of an agreement that will result in drawdown of US troops there.  Syria and Lebanon have announced that they will formally recognize each other as sovereign states.  The US and Iran are talking. 

Not all news is bad.

[Dr. Phil]

Vulcani, (aka Nemesis) do you watch the independent news reports from Georgia and these enclaves? You will see Russian troops have invited Georgian police to take over civil control of these enclaves. Its the troops they want to return to barracks. I agree there are what is the equivalent of rebels in these enclaves also causing trouble but Russia is not protecting, but policing them.

In contrast USA (aka NATO) encouraged and protected the ethnic Albanians in Serbian Kosovo and from the tough Italian human rights advocate (Karla) who persecuted and prosecuted Milosevic, she did not disclose the many Albanian atrocities which included unreported atrocities in Kosovo but also the kidnapping of young Serbs and spiriting them across the border into Albania and commercially harvesting their organs.

Effectively USA is destroying our EU. We are the greatest threat if the Euro is adopted as the currency for international trade, the USA will go into meltdown mode. The USA is fragmenting European nations encouraging dissolution and fragmentation. We are becoming a shell the contents of which are fragmented, nationalistic and confrontational. All hoping the derelict US will cross our palms with our own silver.

Do catch up, get with it; Vulcani are you a female?

You say Iraq and US are close to an agreement? LOL.
No, the US has closed a deal with Iran concerning its presence in Iraq and Iran's nuclear ambitions and the bottom line is Iran will refrain from any involvement in Iraq and the US will restrain Israel from bombing Iran. Why do you think levels of violence in Iraq have fallen? Do you really believe it was due to the Surge? Once again the Palestinians have been sold out.
Syria and Lebanon have always recognized each other; where have you been?

[Dr. Phil]

....and Russia has now warned Poland that it risks nuclear attack if it locates US missiles on its soil.....

The US maintains its part of its Star Wars programme and the missiles are "defensive". What utter rot.

Surely the past 8 years has taught us that USA is indeed an aggressor nation and the end of the USSR has heightened global risk with an out-of-control reformed alcoholic driving ambitions of mega oil-profits and US Empire.

If indeed we need a second confrontational super power to restrain USA, it will dash our hopes for a stress-free, albeit peaceful, future. 

I do recall the first Gulf War and the scud missiles crossing harmlessly over Riyadh, landing far off in the desert like trees falling in a distant forest.

Enter the US eager to sell its Patriot missiles. Well most missed the incoming (and outgoing) Scuds but those Patriots which scored a lucky hit, snapped the Scud and the warhead fell to earth landing on Riyadh, blowing up a ministry building, local newsagent....

If Poland sites US missiles on its soil, at best if they are indeed defensive, they will bring down nuclear warheads never bound for Polish soil. Such self-sacrifice is breathtaking. I wonder if the population of Poland agree?

And Bush still has 5 months remaining...

[Vulcanl]

*Nemesis(?).  I don't think so, it's simply a matter of not allowing extreme statements to stand without challenge
*US destroying the EU.  Huh?!?! 
*My gender: Why do you want to know - wanna go out on a date?
*Iran/Iraq: Let's assume for a moment your statement is correct (which is quite a stretch for a lot of reasons).  The end result will be peace and stability for both countries and their neighbors, which is what everyone wants, isn't it?  So where is your problem there?
*Palestinians: This has already been explained to you.  When Palestinians renounce terrorism (read Hamas) and acnowledge Israel as their sovereign neighbors/their right to exist, they will see a lot of progress in getting their own sovereign aims achieved
*Syria has been meddling in Lebanese affairs for decades and wasn't until the 2005 assassination of Rafik Hariri that they were finally forced to withdraw their military completely from Lebanon.  You probably know this already, just conveniently ignoring this fact
*Russia: I repeat from my previous post "The former Soviet bloc states despise and do not trust Russia with good reason.  The will of the people in countries like Georgia, Ukraine and Poland is overwhelmingly to escape Russia's grip."  The US is siting missile defense systems there because the democratically elected leadership of Poland wants them to counterbalance further Russian aggression

[lancashirelad]

Bush's greatest contribution would be to retire gracefully and never be heard of again.

[Dr. Phil]

Miz Rice's arrival today in Poland to sign an agreement to site missiles in Poland is deliberately provocative and will likely cause Russia to remain inside the small enclaves attacked by Georgia's psychotic dictator.
What would USA do, if Russia decided to site their missiles in Cuba or Venezuela? Do we need a second confrontation to frighten a US President and nation into behaving reasonably?

The siting of these missiles anywhere in Europe is a very bad, short-sighted move which will only serve to mobilise Russia's military. The EU should instruct these new EU members like Poland, where their loyalties lie; or should lie!

Perhaps confrotation is what USA wants? It will certainly benefit McCane's WH bid. Or, perhaps oil prices aren't high enough already?   

[Vulcanl]

*Negotiations for said missile sitings have been ongoing for months if not years and were quickly consummated as a result of Russia's recent invasion into Georgia
*USA would in no uncertain terms express to Cuba and Russia that this would be unacceptable and back it up with a show of force
*So your 'solution' would be to allow Russia's aggression to stand and by extension allow the recomposition of the formet Soviet Union into a new authoritarian regime as Russia would no doubt continue their efforts to expand their conquests.

How does that serve Europe's interests?  Or the interests of the former Soviet bloc nations?

The latter's 'loyalties' lie to their own best interests as expressed by the people and no one else

[Dr. Phil]

*Negotiations for said missile sitings have been ongoing for months if not years and were quickly consummated as a result of Russia's recent invasion into Georgia
*USA would in no uncertain terms express to Cuba and Russia that this would be unacceptable and back it up with a show of force
*So your 'solution' would be to allow Russia's aggression to stand and by extension allow the recomposition of the formet Soviet Union into a new authoritarian regime as Russia would no doubt continue their efforts to expand their conquests.

How does that serve Europe's interests?  Or the interests of the former Soviet bloc nations?

The latter's 'loyalties' lie to their own best interests as expressed by the people and no one else

Vulcani, Russia intervened in Georgia on humanitarian grounds much the same way NATO invaded the sovereign state of Serbia and subsequently disposessed it of sovereign territory ie Kosovo. That was another unforgivable breach of international law which will be reversed I am sure.

Please do not labour under the mistaken belief that USA will confront Russia anywhere outside the UN Building in New York. It will not happen and even Bush would be restrained if he were intoxicated enough to do that.

The Texan, "all hat, no cattle?" can only posture.

Personally I think Russia is a positive force inside these enclaves and I hope they remain to protect the minorities. Likewise, if Poland or Ukraine is dumb enough to provoke Russia, I do hope they do not look west for support when there is a predictable and measured response.

As I have said USA should stop meddling in European affairs; I am amused by the French poodle, bidding for its new master. 

[Vulcanl]

*Georgia's military is meager and poses no threat whatsoever to Russia.  This whole episode was engineered by Russian special forces pretending to be separatists in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.  As of this writing Russia has still not pulled back even though they have legally agreed to.  Humanitarian grounds.  Yeah, right
*USA does not have to confront Russia but merely support young democratic nations that want to be free from Russian oppression.  this we will do
*Who cares what Bush does.  He's gone in a matter of months

Dr. Phil, clearly you are not well.  Go get help.
 

[Dr. Phil]

*Georgia's military is meager and poses no threat whatsoever to Russia.  This whole episode was engineered by Russian special forces pretending to be separatists in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.  As of this writing Russia has still not pulled back even though they have legally agreed to.  Humanitarian grounds.  Yeah, right
*USA does not have to confront Russia but merely support young democratic nations that want to be free from Russian oppression.  this we will do
*Who cares what Bush does.  He's gone in a matter of months

Dr. Phil, clearly you are not well.  Go get help.
 

Vulcani, you wear blinkers.

Don't you realise these small enclaves are "young democratic nations" too?
Or to be a young democratic nation do the aspiring residents have to submit to USA?

Of course the Georgians are no match for Russia, but they thought they were big enough to beat up on south Ossetia; even CNN, Sky and Fox report this to be a fact.

So, Vulcani listening to you, USA, you sound like and old boiler who has given up hooking in favour of preaching the virtues of abstenance and wholesome living! LOL. After the past 8 years you have no place lecturing the rest of the world, especially those who believe in human rights and international law.
 
And stick to the facts and dont get personal young lady, I have been correct thus far in all my predictions.

[Vulcanl]

OK Doctor.  Clearly you are an extremist and have been exposed as such.  Fortunately most Europeans don't think like you, and don't worry, America WILL be there to bail out Europe again if necessary.

Cheers bud.

[Dr. Phil]

OK Doctor.  Clearly you are an extremist and have been exposed as such.  Fortunately most Europeans don't think like you, and don't worry, America WILL be there to bail out Europe again if necessary.

Cheers bud.

I was listening to one of your own top US Experts on Russian Affairs on tv yesterday. He also stated that siting US "interceptor" missiles in Poland was out-of-order and all parties understood it would be a provocative act towards Russia. Indeed, he said Russia must feel that being a "good guy" just invites USA to beat up on them. So why bother?

Vulcani, we Europeans do not need USA. Keep your indebtedness, immorality and tacky aimless and aggressive lifestyle. Your goals are consumption, consumption and consumption.
I think you belong to another era. Europe has more in common with Russia.

At this time I would say Russia will not leave these enclaves unprotected.
Hot Of The Press ".....Russia to site interceptor missiles in Cuba and Venezuela.....US accepts these are for "defensive" reasons and are not targeted against any nation.....LOL

[Dr. Phil]

Yesterday, the Eisenhower family formally resigned from the Republican Party. I wonder why? 
Has the penny dropped Vulcani?