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« on: 26 August 2008, 10:45:19 am »
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Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Kubes should be focusing on his homecountry where prices are expected to crash unlike Singapore
August 26, 2008 Tuesday

Sharp fall in property prices unlikely

But there are more people keen to sell than buy now, says DTZ study

By Fiona Chan, Property Reporter


SINGAPORE'S property market presents plenty of buying opportunities for institutional investors now that it has cooled somewhat, according to a study by property firm DTZ Debenham Tie Leung.

But buyers waiting for a major price correction will be disappointed.

While the growth in prices may slow, there is unlikely to be a significant fall in property prices here, said Mr John Stinson, DTZ's regional director of sales and investments for Asia-Pacific's capital markets.

'Singapore hasn't had a long boom, unlike some other countries... I don't think there will be a repricing,' he told reporters yesterday at a briefing on Money Into Property, DTZ's latest research report about investing in Asia-Pacific property.

The report is directed at institutional property investors, who can have a significant impact on the property market, given that they buy and sell large numbers of properties.

Mr Stinson also said the Government's measures to boost Singapore's population could prop up demand for property and support prices.
So far, no recent transactions by institutional investors have reflected a repricing in the market, added Mr Shaun Poh, DTZ's senior director for investment advisory services and auctions.

'Sellers here have become more realistic and lowered their expectations,' he added.

But because their expectations were so high previously, this has not necessarily led to lower transacted prices, he said.
What it has actually resulted in is more investors coming back to look at properties that may have previously been overpriced but are now open to negotiation, Mr Poh said.

Currently, there are many more people interested in selling Singapore properties than in buying them, DTZ's study showed.

It polled investors and found that 12 per cent of them intend to sell their properties in Singapore soon, while fewer than 5 per cent plan to buy properties here.

This is creating a situation quite different from the one last year, when there was no lack of demand for properties but very few available for sale.

Now, growth funds and some opportunistic investors are pulling out of the plateauing Singapore market, at a time when owners - including banks, foreign firms and opportunistic funds - are becoming more willing to sell.

'There is an increasing number of buying opportunities in gateway markets such as Singapore, Hong Kong and Tokyo,' said Mr Stinson.

'Six months ago, it wasn't about whether you wanted to buy property, but whether you were lucky enough to win the race.'

Interest in Singapore properties remains high, however, especially in the logistics and industrial market. This sector still offers a 'decent return' as growth has not been as rapid as in other sectors, said Mr Poh.

Commercial assets in Singapore are also in demand to some extent, but the residential sector is likely to turn in a weak performance in the investment market this year, DTZ said in its report.

'Given the cautious economic outlook, investor focus for the rest of the year would be on occupier fundamentals in the commercial and industrial sectors,' it added.

These fundamentals include, for example, the quality of the buildings and their tenants.

While repricing is not an apparent risk in Singapore's property market, the Asia-Pacific region is facing an average repricing of 25 to 100 basis points, or 0.25 per cent to 1 per cent, Mr Stinson said.
The markets that will be the worst hit include Japan, Australia and New Zealand.

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Opportunities in Asia-Pacific real estate remain despite weak sentiment

By Ng Baoying, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 25 August 2008 2306 hrs


SINGAPORE : The global real estate capital market grew last year to hit US$12 trillion, but the subprime crisis has thrown a spanner in the works.

Investors are finding it tough, with liquidity drying up, yields compressing, and valuations in the US and UK dipping.

However, some analysts said that opportunities remain and may even grow, as markets approach fair value. They noted that demographics in emerging Asia also support long-term investment horizons.
Property prices around the world have suffered as investors attempt to ride out the current uncertainty in the market by holding back funds.

Ong Choon Fah, executive director and head, SEA Consulting and Research, DTZ, said: "Because there is so much uncertainty around the markets - financial markets, capital markets, equity markets - people don't really know what to think, and when one is confused, people don't want to make major decisions."

Property watchers said that yields and prices are expected to correct further on the downside in the year ahead - with some sectors hit more than others.

David Green-Morgan, Asia-Pacific research director, DTZ, said: "Potentially, industrial and retail sectors may correct more than the commercial office sectors, which tends to be more resilient... the downside tends to be less in those areas."

DTZ said that the one bright spot in the real estate market lies in Asia-Pacific, where economies have held up comparably well so far.
Mr Green-Morgan said: "At the moment, it is holding up quite well and that is due to the fact that there is a much bigger domestic market in Asia-Pacific than in previous slowdowns, and also because there is much more wealth in Asia-Pacific, than historically."
DTZ said this has kept overall property prices reasonably firm as prospects for capital growth dry up.
The focus is now on occupier fundamentals. And for this, DTZ's top picks currently include resorts in Thailand's leisure sector, and its serviced residences.

It also likes emerging markets such as Vietnam - where demographics are a key factor.

Ms Ong said: "Although Vietnam has its own set of problems, if you look beyond the immediate future, it has a huge population... it has one of the longest coastlines in Asia. So again there are opportunities there."

DTZ said that another area of interest is Indonesia, where residential prices have come off highs, coupled with a growth in infrastructure projects. - CNA/ms
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« Reply #2 on: 26 August 2008, 12:11:06 pm »
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When America sneezes, the whole world catches a very bad cold.

Dow went down 240 points yesterday and look at the APAC markets today. STI (SGX) dropped 41 points....

AIG is in trouble along with Lehman.

Capitaland is now $4.19 from a high of $8.50, that's a >50% drop !

I know that Far East has stopped developing a massive development in Bukit Timah area and they are going to let it rot.

The stock market reflects the state of the economy and its bad news for propery investors.
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« Reply #3 on: 26 August 2008, 12:20:57 pm »
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When America sneezes, the whole world catches a very bad cold.

Dow went down 240 points yesterday and look at the APAC markets today. STI (SGX) dropped 41 points....

AIG is in trouble along with Lehman.

Capitaland is now $4.19 from a high of $8.50, that's a >50% drop !

I know that Far East has stopped developing a massive development in Bukit Timah area and they are going to let it rot.

The stock market reflects the state of the economy and its bad news for propery investors.


It's so comforting to know that property prices will continue to fall..BIG.  I am eyeing a condo but will not budge until it falls to MY price.  So bearman, can I get something along meyer road at <$800 psf?

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« Reply #4 on: 26 August 2008, 12:36:14 pm »
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When America sneezes, the whole world catches a very bad cold.

Dow went down 240 points yesterday and look at the APAC markets today. STI (SGX) dropped 41 points....

AIG is in trouble along with Lehman.

Capitaland is now $4.19 from a high of $8.50, that's a >50% drop !

I know that Far East has stopped developing a massive development in Bukit Timah area and they are going to let it rot.

The stock market reflects the state of the economy and its bad news for propery investors.


It's so comforting to know that property prices will continue to fall..BIG.  I am eyeing a condo but will not budge until it falls to MY price.  So bearman, can I get something along meyer road at <$800 psf?



Can for <S$650 psf before 1st quarter 2009.
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« Reply #5 on: 26 August 2008, 12:49:36 pm »
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Oh well, here is another report from a Singapore property agency that essentially views the Singapore market to be isolated and disconnected from the rest of the world (at least when the external environment is negative).  I would be much more confident in the report if it factored in the broader regional and global economic conditions.  Instead they wheeled out the standard SG-centric reasons for why things won't crash - too narrow and simplistic for me.

Yes the Aust and other markets are heading down.  But don't forget all those markets are well ahead of Singapore in their property cycles.
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« Reply #6 on: 26 August 2008, 12:51:45 pm »
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I would wait till Q1 2009 as if more buyers wait, the price will definitely go down but the sub-prime mess in the USA will not go away till mid-2010 or later. I'm think of buying one myself but its too risky now. Only the very high-end properties will be stable as the rich & wealthy do not care about a recession or down-turn.
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« Reply #7 on: 26 August 2008, 13:12:43 pm »
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When America sneezes, the whole world catches a very bad cold.

Dow went down 240 points yesterday and look at the APAC markets today. STI (SGX) dropped 41 points....

AIG is in trouble along with Lehman.

Capitaland is now $4.19 from a high of $8.50, that's a >50% drop !

I know that Far East has stopped developing a massive development in Bukit Timah area and they are going to let it rot.

The stock market reflects the state of the economy and its bad news for propery investors.


It's so comforting to know that property prices will continue to fall..BIG.  I am eyeing a condo but will not budge until it falls to MY price.  So bearman, can I get something along meyer road at <$800 psf?



YOu should be able to get it for $80psf - just keep waiting. Grin Wink
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« Reply #8 on: 26 August 2008, 13:14:50 pm »
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I would wait till Q1 2009 as if more buyers wait, the price will definitely go down but the sub-prime mess in the USA will not go away till mid-2010 or later. I'm think of buying one myself but its too risky now. Only the very high-end properties will be stable as the rich & wealthy do not care about a recession or down-turn.


The ones stable are the mass market properties- supported by strong and still rising HDB prices. The worst hit are high end properties.
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« Reply #9 on: 26 August 2008, 13:15:14 pm »
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or get it on a foreclosure
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« Reply #10 on: 26 August 2008, 14:15:40 pm »
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The OP displays a really stupid mentality that's all about nationalistic "face" and nothing about honest interest in finding out the truth.  What does he expect Kubes to do?  Because Kubes is Australian, he's supposed to get really exercised and defensive, because he has to defend the honor of his country?  From past posts, it's obvious that Kubes has no problem recognizing that the Australian property market is heading down, but still the OP is trying to bait him with it.  In doing so, he cannot disguise his own stupidity and narrow-mindedness.
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« Reply #11 on: 26 August 2008, 14:23:01 pm »
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property scene will be heading downwards. Ask any local entrepreuner and he will tell you that he is bracing for tougher times. me included. The strong headwinds that emerging mkts will face as the US and europe slows, coupled with the pblms the Chinese have, spells challenging conditions in the next 12 to 24 months. Definitely we must be prepared for these tough times which Ministers are slowly preparing Singpaoreans for, in their speeches.
More will unfold.
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« Reply #12 on: 26 August 2008, 14:25:06 pm »
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DJ MARKET TALK: S'pore Manufacturing Fall Worst Since 2001 -HSBC

0620 GMT [Dow Jones] Singapore manufacturing contraction in July was larger than expected with massive fall in pharmaceuticals output, says Prakriti Sofat, economist at HSBC. Sector disappointing recently and says this isn't just due to cyclical factors but due to competition, too, as competition with generic/genetic makers rises; manufacturing output fell 21.9% on-year, which is probably biggest fall since December 2001, adds Sofat.(KMH)
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« Reply #13 on: 26 August 2008, 14:26:08 pm »
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I wouldn't believe any positive news DTZ sends out after retrenching so many agents. Last time I spoke to a DTZ agent, he was driving taxi that I took. Honestly.


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DJ MARKET TALK: S'pore Manufacturing Output To Fade -Action Econ

0613 GMT [Dow Jones] Manufacturing in Singapore likely to fade further, amid sluggishness in export demand as Singapore feels impact of slowing in global economy, says David Cohen at Action Economics; "the data were a little disappointing." Manufacturing sector has been slipping in recent months; but even if production doesn't deliver boost to monthly manufacturing data, ongoing employment growth will provide support to economy. July manufacturing contracted 21.9% on-year vs 15.8% fall forecast by Dow Jones poll; biomedical output fell 67.4% on-year due to 69.75 drop in pharmaceuticals output.(KMH)
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