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« Reply #45 on: 04 September 2008, 17:57:45 pm »
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plenty of dps boys are going to get a taste of the shame culture
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« Reply #46 on: 04 September 2008, 20:21:36 pm »
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For my critics, don't forget my wisdom comes with credentials.  I own properties in Australia still valued at SG$1.62 billion (with a "b").  And I won't drop the price on them.

Oh I think you may have to drop your prices after all.  Australian property prices are dropping like rocks.  Plus, Aussies in general do not have the house-owning culture that Asians traditionally have.  Aussies do not mind selling prices down and renting indefinitely.  Asians on the other hand, come from a "shame culture" and consider it a public loss of face if they had to sell their houses and move to a rented place.

I don't think I will drop the prices of my property assets.  The benefits of being a billionaire are quite good.  So waiting for the right buyers to come along.

On the home-ownership numbers, I had always understood that Australia was quite high.  Here are the splits:

Owners without a mortgage             38.0
Owners with a mortgage                  32.7
Renters-state housing authority         6.2
Renters-private landlord                   21.3
Total renters                                   29.3
Total                                            100.0
Source: ABS 1999c

Here are Singapore's stats.
Home Ownership Rate (%)     90.7

Two key reasons that SG rates are relatively high are:  1) the subsidized HDB housing, and 2) very limited low-cost rental stock forcing kids to live at home until they get their own HDB flat, even well after they get married.  There seems to be very little opportunity for a young married couple to rent a property, and it is virtually unheard of a group of young twenty-somethings in their first jobs sharing an apartment.


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The object in life is not to be on the side of the Majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the Insane.
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« Reply #47 on: 04 September 2008, 20:25:06 pm »
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and it is virtually unheard of a group of young twenty-somethings in their first jobs sharing an apartment.

This makes it clear now why none of the agents on this board can hold an opinion higher than what their mother has told them
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« Reply #48 on: 05 September 2008, 9:27:58 am »
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Kubes, you may not sell, but prices of your property will come down. As you said, the value of the property is what people want to pay for it, not the asking price. You may end up just a millionaire!
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« Reply #49 on: 05 September 2008, 10:28:04 am »
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Kubes, you may not sell, but prices of your property will come down. As you said, the value of the property is what people want to pay for it, not the asking price. You may end up just a millionaire!

Yep that is what I used to say.  But I am adapting my mindset to that of the Singaporean property investor and developer.  I had my epiphany when I read a BT article last month about Wing Tai Holdings and its chairman Cheng Wai Keung.  Wing Tai and Cheng are the smartest of the super smart high-end property developers Singapore has produced.  Well connected of course, but they have decades of experience on top of raw talent and insight.  This is what Chairman Cheng said:

Mr Cheng said he is prepared to hold out for prices to reach $4,000 per sq ft (psf) again at Ardmore Park. 'Even at the peak, when they were talking about $4,000 psf, I still think that was relatively cheap, compared to values in the world and in Singapore.'   'We are the ones who will set the price; if we never lower prices, how can it lose value?'

So with that mindset, I have set the price of my property assets.  I am a billionaire.  It feels really good.
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« Reply #50 on: 05 September 2008, 11:29:49 am »
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OK, good to hear you are adapting to the purest form of kiasu behaviour
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« Reply #51 on: 05 September 2008, 16:57:28 pm »
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Mr Cheng said he is prepared to hold out for prices to reach $4,000 per sq ft (psf) again at Ardmore Park. 'Even at the peak, when they were talking about $4,000 psf, I still think that was relatively cheap, compared to values in the world and in Singapore.'   'We are the ones who will set the price; if we never lower prices, how can it lose value?'

The world is full of bankrupt businesses that ignore the market demand and set pricing based on their own profit aspiration. I tip this guy will be broke within 2 years.

Did anyone read in the other thread 10 bankers go laid off today. Its going to get ugly.
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« Reply #52 on: 05 September 2008, 19:19:25 pm »
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Readers should remember that the banks in Singapore used to control some of the largest properties here - UOB + UOL, DBS + DBSLand (now Capitaland) and OCBC + Centrepoint/Fraser & Neave.
Like less scrupulous moneylenders now in other parts of ASEAN, historically, banks in SG did not seem at all disappointed if the borrowers could not repay. This allowed them to foreclose on the assets and enlarge their holdings.
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« Reply #53 on: 05 September 2008, 21:00:52 pm »
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Singaporeans & investors from HK, China & Indonesia are in denial. Let them burn & I'll be there to mop them up
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« Reply #54 on: 06 September 2008, 2:55:22 am »
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Kubes, you may not sell, but prices of your property will come down. As you said, the value of the property is what people want to pay for it, not the asking price. You may end up just a millionaire!

Yep that is what I used to say.  But I am adapting my mindset to that of the Singaporean property investor and developer.  I had my epiphany when I read a BT article last month about Wing Tai Holdings and its chairman Cheng Wai Keung.  Wing Tai and Cheng are the smartest of the super smart high-end property developers Singapore has produced.  Well connected of course, but they have decades of experience on top of raw talent and insight.  This is what Chairman Cheng said:

Mr Cheng said he is prepared to hold out for prices to reach $4,000 per sq ft (psf) again at Ardmore Park. 'Even at the peak, when they were talking about $4,000 psf, I still think that was relatively cheap, compared to values in the world and in Singapore.'   'We are the ones who will set the price; if we never lower prices, how can it lose value?'

So with that mindset, I have set the price of my property assets.  I am a billionaire.  It feels really good.

No, you are an arse.
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« Reply #55 on: 06 September 2008, 6:12:57 am »
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No, you are an arse

Kubes is being sarcastic and quite funny. It is the Developers who are making an arse of themselves
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« Reply #56 on: 06 September 2008, 10:31:48 am »
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Yes, funny no. Just tedious.
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