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« on: 22 September 2008, 22:44:04 pm »
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 Huh Huh  Huh My friend bought the above which is distributed by Citibank Singapore. Issuer is : Lehman Brothers....COunterparty is:
Merrill Lynch. Maturity date: Perpetual

This should not be the mini-bond...Right???
Will she lose all money?
What is the status of this?
Is this corporate bond of Lehman Brothers?
Pls help....Thanks! 
 
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« Reply #1 on: 23 September 2008, 3:57:19 am »
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she will lose all her money
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« Reply #2 on: 23 September 2008, 9:50:37 am »
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they will not get anything back as its issued by Lehmans....
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« Reply #3 on: 01 April 2009, 1:03:52 am »
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My father invested in the same. He's in the same boat and expects to lose all of his hard earned money Angry
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« Reply #4 on: 01 April 2009, 8:37:43 am »
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This is what happens when you don't get proper interest rates for your FD. People start investing in all sorts of instruments they don't fully understand.

You can only blame the local banks.


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« Reply #5 on: 01 April 2009, 10:33:16 am »
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I blame the muppets at MAS, and the politicians who told them to keep SG interest rates artificially low.  That distorted the property and equity markets into bubbles, and forced others into high-risk investments.
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« Reply #6 on: 06 April 2009, 9:15:17 am »
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Yes also MAS, but the margins charged by local banks are just ridiculous.

Let's say you choose a FD for 1 percent or an ordinary account for 0,1 per cent. The bank will then offer this money for someone's mortgage for 3,5 per cent, which comes to almost 3 per cent margin.

For comparison, the margins in Europe are around 1 per cent. Local banks here are greedy, and consumers don't have safe and reasonable saving options.


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« Reply #7 on: 06 April 2009, 12:22:19 pm »
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Ok local banks are greedy. How about foreign banks operating in Sing. Are they greedy as well?
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« Reply #8 on: 06 April 2009, 13:33:33 pm »
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Yes. They probably came here because of the fat margins. There is no real competition in SG.


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« Reply #9 on: 06 April 2009, 13:49:31 pm »
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"Yes also MAS, but the margins charged by local banks are just ridiculous.

Let's say you choose a FD for 1 percent or an ordinary account for 0,1 per cent. The bank will then offer this money for someone's mortgage for 3,5 per cent, which comes to almost 3 per cent margin.

For comparison, the margins in Europe are around 1 per cent. Local banks here are greedy, and consumers don't have safe and reasonable saving options.
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Utter tosh.  About the best rates going are lib+75.  Pretty sure your average depo is a lot worse than lib-25.  3% diff is common.  Also got worse as a load of the banks have floating rate floors on what you pay.
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PP, I'm afraid you haven't been shopping around enough. 25.000 EUR for 12 months FD you get Euribor(12) + 0,4 per cent.

And if you are getting a mortrage, you would pay Euribor(12) + 1,2 per cent. This is less than a 1% margin.


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« Reply #11 on: 06 April 2009, 16:50:04 pm »
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PP, I'm afraid you haven't been shopping around enough. 25.000 EUR for 12 months FD you get Euribor(12) + 0,4 per cent.

And if you are getting a mortrage, you would pay Euribor(12) + 1,2 per cent. This is less than a 1% margin.




Did you read the bit about the floor on floating rates.  Notionally my mortgage is GBP +0.75, pity they (and most other banks) floored the floating rate a LONG way above current levels.
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Yes also MAS, but the margins charged by local banks are just ridiculous.

Let's say you choose a FD for 1 percent or an ordinary account for 0,1 per cent. The bank will then offer this money for someone's mortgage for 3,5 per cent, which comes to almost 3 per cent margin.

For comparison, the margins in Europe are around 1 per cent. Local banks here are greedy, and consumers don't have safe and reasonable saving options.




Today's Telegraph.

The difference between the Bank of England's benchmark interest rate and the average rate on a tracker mortgage has risen from 1.18 per cent at the beginning of April last year to 3.20 per cent today, according to personal finance website Moneyfacts.

The Bank of England has aggressively cut its Bank rate from 5 per cent in October to a historic low of just 0.5 per cent in an attempt to revive the economy.

 
While existing borrowers with a tracker mortgage will be enjoying the drop in rates, new borrowers are being badly hit. HSBC has announced it is launching a tracker loan charging 4.09 per cent above the Bank rate.

The margins on the average two-year fixed rate deal has risen from 1.19 per cent above the two-year swap rate - which is the rate that lenders use to price their fixed rate mortgages – at the beginning of April last year to 2.41 per cent above the rate today, Moneyfacts said.

Despite two-year swap rates dropping by 3.03 per cent since the beginning of last October, the average two year fixed rate mortgage has been reduced by just 1.64 per cent over the same period, it said.

It comes after billions of pounds of financial support from the Government has been given to the banks during the credit crisis.

Andrew Montlake, of mortgage brokers Coreco, said: "Banks are taking the opportunity to widen their margins to claw back of the profits that they've lost during the credit crisis. Every time they launch a new range of deals, the margins seem to be even bigger, specifically on tracker rate deals."

The average rate charged on a two-year fixed rate deal is currently 4.64 per cent, compared with 3.70 per cent for the average two-year tracker, according to the research.

Michelle Slade, analyst at Moneyfacts, said: "Since base rate started falling in October 2008, mortgage lenders have continued to increase their margins.

"While existing tracker customers have benefited, anyone looking for a new tracker deal has seen the margin over base continue to increase. The vast majority of providers have passed much bigger cuts to their savings rates, when compared to their standard variable rate as once again they increase their margins."

An HSBC spokesperson said: "HSBC's tracker mortgages are regularly the lowest in the market. Mortgage interest rates reflect the risk of lending in the market, in the current environment it is not surprising that they are higher than previous years."
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