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I am not local but found this article interesting amid so much negative comments. Could be Kubes' positive brother?

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Singapore set to be centre of new world order in 2050

The Australian. Author: Bernard Salt | October 09, 2008
FAST forward to 2050 and review the last 100 years.

The century began simply enough. The Americans and their allies won WWII and immediately set about dominating the global economy with a free market that produced consumer goods such as motor vehicles for a rising middle class. The only credible competitor to the West was the USSR, but this system collapsed in 1989, allowing former Soviet states to embrace free market economies.

The undisputed headquarters of global capitalism during the late 20th century was Wall Street; it accommodated institutions that had the capacity to raise vast amounts of capital. But the primacy of New York at the world's financial centre was challenged by London around the turn of the 21st century following two distinct developments.

The new free states of Eastern Europe as well as rising sovereign states in the Middle East orientated to London for capital raising purposes. Russian billionaires and Arab sheiks embraced London's Belgravia more readily than Manhattan's Upper East Side. Then, of course, there was 9/11, which made London seem safer than New York.

Almost two decades after the collapse of the Soviet's socialist republic came the collapse the financial system that underpinned the free market. The resultant state bailout of financial institutions propelled free market economies towards a more restrained version of capitalism. And there you had the beginnings of the Great Convergence: the Soviets (and the Chinese) turned to capitalism in the 1990s; the Americans effectively nationalised their financial system a decade later.

Whereas in the 20th century capitalism's HQ was Wall Street, this role was shared with London after 2001. A decade later it was almost as if the finance-raising capability of New York and London City had been atomised. New centres of world finance emerged simultaneously to buttress the old in cities far removed from the Atlantic nexus, such as Hong Kong, Singapore, Shanghai and Dubai.

Even Sydney benefited from what eventually would be known as the regionalisation of the global economy -- it was regarded as a pleasant enough place from which to manage Asian affairs. Indeed, there was a preference by some global institutions to base their regional offices in lifestyle cities within reasonable proximity, or at least within the same time zone, of the moneymaking coalface. This is much the same principle that permitted Russian billionaires to live in London but to derive their income from Russia.

The global moneymaking coalface in the early decades of the 21st century remained what would be known as the "middle-class-isation" of China, India and much of Eastern European.

But this coalface also included the reorientation of the oil-based economies of Middle Eastern states as well as the reconstruction of Iraq following the withdrawal of combat troops in 2015. By 2025, Iraqi and Afghan migrants had formed enclaves in Sydney's southwest and Melbourne's north, which was not unlike the Vietnamese embrace of Cabramatta and Abbotsford a decade after the end of the Vietnam War.

It took some time for Australian -- and global -- business to appreciate the new economic alignment. The US and Western Europe were still important -- perhaps the most important -- markets. But for the first time in 500 years, a critical mass of other centres of commercial influence emerged in Asia, India, the Middle East and across Russia. The transition manifested itself in both blunt and subtle ways. The largest buildings, companies and capital reserves shifted from New York to Hong Kong and Dubai. By the middle of the 2020s, popular culture television programs were set in a chic English-speaking enclave of Shanghai.

At about the same time, most Westerners learnt how to say "hello" in Chinese: ni hao. Australians could even cite the most glamorous residential precinct in Singapore. And in Dubai one "Australian suburb" was known as the Earls Court of the Middle East.

But I think the piece de resistance of the new economic order came in 2020 when Qantas began a direct air service between Sydney and Moscow.

But there were more subtle effects of what would become known as the advent of the post-Atlantic world. Australians infiltrated the global community to a greater degree than ever before. Gone, too, by the middle of the century, was Australia's notorious cultural cringe. No longer were Australians chronically aware of their isolation from the centre of global economic and cultural power. And the reason is not that some whiz-bang new technology enabled Australians to travel to Europe and North America in four hours. The reason is that after the 2008 financial meltdown, the centre of world economic activity migrated closer to Australia.

Astute players in the Australian property industry read the changing landscape and positioned their businesses in Asia's ascendant cities. Some -- in fact many -- had developed links with Dubai. This was especially the case with property consultants from the late 1990s onwards. But the real prize came with the recovery in 2010, when new financial services businesses burgeoned and demanded office and hotel accommodation. Part of this momentum applied to Hong Kong and Shanghai, but for many Western companies these cities carried sovereign risk. The city that boomed most as a consequence of the meltdown was Singapore. It offered cultural links with Britain and the US. It offered connections and proximity to China, India and Japan. The business community spoke English. And, best of all, Singapore had strong cultural and business links with Australia.

In view of this "future history", it might be a good idea to stay a night in Singapore on your way to London.

Bernard Salt is a Partner with KPMG; bsalt@kpmg.com
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« Reply #1 on: 09 October 2008, 9:33:24 am »
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Kubes will definitely not disagree with his countryman.

Of course we are not going to be the centre of new world order but the relevance of Singapore will definitely increase in the coming years. With its relative stability shown in the latest crisis its role of being a middleman for booming Asia where the future lies  will become more important and I bet property prices in 10 years time will be double of what they are now. So better grab a property in Singapore soon.
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« Reply #2 on: 09 October 2008, 11:03:40 am »
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I met Bernard last year in Singapore.  He provided his perspective on the demographic change in Australia and many countries across Asia.  Truely fascinating and very exciting for the future of many countries.  The sad story of course was Japan with its rapidly aging population and underlying xenophobia meaning its future was only downwards.

Bernard pointed out that Singapore actually has a HUGE and immediate challenge, and that is its very low birthrate.  With out massive change to the birthrate, the result is that the Singapore of 2050 will definitely have a bigger population, but the vast majority of people will be immigrants of less than 2 generations.  So the lovely Singaporean character and culture will largely disappear.  Singaporeans in the heartlands will be novelties.

Singapore's long term future is very positive given its good governance, history and primarily its location.  It needs be attractive place to live, but than means becoming much more relaxed, flexible and open. 

The concerns that I go on about here, are entirely short-term.  The 2007 Property Bubble has and will be damaging for Singapore for at least the next 3-5 years.  If SG lets property correct, the long term potential for the country, economy and expats I think is outstanding.  Asia is the definitely the place to be.  Australia is a key part of Asia - like it or not.
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« Reply #3 on: 09 October 2008, 11:07:02 am »
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Singapore will definitely be one of the major long term beneficiaries of this crisis. Investors will know which is the most well managed and appropriately regulated country.

The window period for investors to pick up properties will remain only for the next 2 years maximum.
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« Reply #4 on: 09 October 2008, 13:50:56 pm »
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I met Bernard last year in Singapore.  He provided his perspective on the demographic change in Australia and many countries across Asia.  Truely fascinating and very exciting for the future of many countries.  The sad story of course was Japan with its rapidly aging population and underlying xenophobia meaning its future was only downwards.

Bernard pointed out that Singapore actually has a HUGE and immediate challenge, and that is its very low birthrate.  With out massive change to the birthrate, the result is that the Singapore of 2050 will definitely have a bigger population, but the vast majority of people will be immigrants of less than 2 generations.  So the lovely Singaporean character and culture will largely disappear.  Singaporeans in the heartlands will be novelties.

Singapore's long term future is very positive given its good governance, history and primarily its location.  It needs be attractive place to live, but than means becoming much more relaxed, flexible and open. 

The concerns that I go on about here, are entirely short-term.  The 2007 Property Bubble has and will be damaging for Singapore for at least the next 3-5 years.  If SG lets property correct, the long term potential for the country, economy and expats I think is outstanding.  Asia is the definitely the place to be.  Australia is a key part of Asia - like it or not.

With you agreeing with Bernard and that long term prospects being outstanidn, then it is only logical that property prices here will outpace most countries. Why worry about short term when the long term outlook for properties is bright. Very difficult to time your entry into a property market which may catch you off-guard. Cycles do not mean every cycle should decline or rise by the same margin. The downcycle may end with just a 10% price decline while most like you are waiting for a 20-40% price decline. You will keep waiting forever. So be wise and be a long term property investor. Perhaps you need more time to be 'baptised' by the market.
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« Reply #5 on: 09 October 2008, 13:53:57 pm »
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are caught long will go on and on "about waiting forever". There will be bargains further down the road. Property prices will crash.
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« Reply #6 on: 09 October 2008, 14:08:50 pm »
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If ever decide to buy in Singapore, it will be for the long term, and it will not be before 2010, probably later.  It would be a foolish person that jumps into the SG prime property market now.
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« Reply #7 on: 09 October 2008, 16:35:12 pm »
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Singapore will definitely be one of the major long term beneficiaries of this crisis. Investors will know which is the most well managed and appropriately regulated country.

The window period for investors to pick up properties will remain only for the next 2 years maximum.

You might be looking at 8 to 10 years.

In 2 years most places will still be on the slippery slope, downwards, south, tanking whatever.  Most investors know cash is king right now and have bailed out.  You will see them in 8 to 10 years again starting to scoop up the bargain condos as they did in 03.
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« Reply #8 on: 10 October 2008, 2:56:30 am »
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I met Bernard last year in Singapore.  He provided his perspective on the demographic change in Australia and many countries across Asia.  Truely fascinating and very exciting for the future of many countries.  The sad story of course was Japan with its rapidly aging population and underlying xenophobia meaning its future was only downwards.

Bernard pointed out that Singapore actually has a HUGE and immediate challenge, and that is its very low birthrate.  With out massive change to the birthrate, the result is that the Singapore of 2050 will definitely have a bigger population, but the vast majority of people will be immigrants of less than 2 generations.  So the lovely Singaporean character and culture will largely disappear.  Singaporeans in the heartlands will be novelties.

Singapore's long term future is very positive given its good governance, history and primarily its location.  It needs be attractive place to live, but than means becoming much more relaxed, flexible and open. 

The concerns that I go on about here, are entirely short-term.  The 2007 Property Bubble has and will be damaging for Singapore for at least the next 3-5 years.  If SG lets property correct, the long term potential for the country, economy and expats I think is outstanding.  Asia is the definitely the place to be.  Australia is a key part of Asia - like it or not.

With you agreeing with Bernard and that long term prospects being outstanidn, then it is only logical that property prices here will outpace most countries. Why worry about short term when the long term outlook for properties is bright. Very difficult to time your entry into a property market which may catch you off-guard. Cycles do not mean every cycle should decline or rise by the same margin. The downcycle may end with just a 10% price decline while most like you are waiting for a 20-40% price decline. You will keep waiting forever. So be wise and be a long term property investor. Perhaps you need more time to be 'baptised' by the market.

this 'hold on for the long term' idea is such garbage at this particular time.

why on earth would you buy equities or property now when there's an excellent chance they will continue to fall?? in exactly the same vain, why would you hold an asset that has an excellent chance of falling in value when you could cash in now and buy more of that asset in 1 or 2 year's time??

people who 'hold on for the long term' in this climate (when the writing is totally on the wall) are really not that intelligent.. nor are those people advising them to do so.  Gordon Gecko actually said it well. 'don't get emotional about stock'.. or any asset for that matter. wake up and smell the coffee. asset prices are falling across the board and will continue to do so.

in my opinion, the credit crunch hitting the real economy hasn't even really started.  people talking about bottom fishing the equities markets now are morons.  and all those idiots at the Fed and Treasury can do is pump in more $$$$ .. which is the whole root cause of this disaster in the first place.

ahhh ... what about warren buffett i hear you say.. he's just invested in GE.  true, but most punters don't have over $50B sitting IN CASH in the bank, nor do they have jeff immelt's mobile number and the ability to demand a 10% yield + all the extras out of him. if anything, buffett probably thinks GE is a better bet than having his cash sitting in ANY bank.
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