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KikiLala
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« on: 28 March 2009, 14:38:20 pm »
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I just want to check if it makes sense to invest in annuity pre-retirement age (e.g. around 40). I'm thinking of products being offered by NTUC or Manulife. BTW, I'm not a PR so this will be a discretionary investment for me.
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« Reply #1 on: 28 March 2009, 14:43:59 pm »
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I have never understood how these life or annuity "investments" that are so popular in Singapore make any financial sense at all.  Really look hard at hard at what the real return is for these products, when you strip out all the fees and charges.
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The object in life is not to be on the side of the Majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the Insane.
kubes is correct again
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« Reply #2 on: 29 March 2009, 1:30:10 am »
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annunities are for fools. Do your homework and don't play into the salespersons hand. Not only do you lose but you lose big.
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« Reply #3 on: 29 March 2009, 1:32:03 am »
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as long as the annunity is for singapore then buy it you fool. Best investment i ever had, besides my HDB. Go on vulchan, tell us again and again about how clever U R.
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« Reply #4 on: 29 March 2009, 11:13:58 am »
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Thanks. I did like the "security" part of it (regular income for the rest of your life), however the management fee is at least a couple of percentage points. Agree might not be as attractive vs. other investments.
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« Reply #5 on: 29 March 2009, 20:00:02 pm »
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I have never understood how these life or annuity "investments" that are so popular in Singapore make any financial sense at all.  Really look hard at hard at what the real return is for these products, when you strip out all the fees and charges.

Most people here intend to return home to places where they pay tax on capital gains, income on these things is also tax free as long as it is not brought onshore.  They issue a credit card out of say the Isle of Man and all spending is tax free (technically if you use the card in your home country that is repatriation but not very traceable), for people who intend to spend much of their retirement travelling it is a handy option though I agree you pay for it, that said without the investment advisors most would not know or be too lazy to figure out how to do it without paying the fees.  Additionally you can keep paying in when you could not if you did not set it up while non-resident in many cases.

That said, they are a bit of a rip off in terms of the size of fees.  On these term life things as well note the fees are generally on portfolio value not payments in, that means a lot more cash.

As for annuities themselves, if you take the advisors away, there is nothing wrong with them.  End of the day a preference share is essentially a perpetuity (but not govt backed as a lot of the offshore stuff is - that said I don't give much cred to UK backing right now, looks like an IMF bailout is possible or at least being discussed), an annuity for fixed years is easy to value, until death is harder as you have to figure the probability distribution of your lifespan, nevertheless nothing wrong in principle.  For the moment though now is probably the worst time in history to buy one.

I realise on the above I'm covering issues outside straight annuities but some of the principles apply anyway.
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