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The Claim That There Is No God Is An Escape From All Realities
2009 February 24
by Bro. Eli

According to the latest available statistics there are about 15-30% of the world populations that are either agnostic or atheists. Atheist and agnostics are defined as:

agnostic
ag•nos•tic [ag nóstik]
(plural ag•nos•tics)
noun
1. somebody denying God’s existence is provable: somebody who believes that it is impossible to know whether or not God exists
2. somebody denying something is knowable: somebody who doubts that a question has one correct answer or that something can be completely understood
I’m an agnostic concerning space aliens.
[Mid-19th century. < a-2 + gnostic]
-ag•nos•tic, adjective
-ag•nos•ti•cal•ly, adverb
Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

atheist
a•the•ist [áythee ist]
(plural a•the•ists)
noun
unbeliever in God or deities: somebody who does not believe in God or deities
Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

While it is true that there are evil that throughout the history of humanity were done by some people who “allegedly” are believers in the existence of God, the worst of evil were done by those who denied the existence of God Psalms 53:1:

“The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.”

This was the observation of the psalmist David. The same observation was written by another Biblical writer many hundreds of years after David.

In Romans 3:10-18, the apostle Paul categorically stated:

“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulcher; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known:
There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

In I Timothy 6:10, the apostle Paul explained that the love of money is a root of all evil:

“For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil: which some reaching after have been led astray from the faith, and have pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (ASV)

But Paul was consistent in saying that all evil comes not only from the love of money but by not acknowledging the existence of God. Romans 1:28-32:

“And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

The Godless Hitler murdered millions of innocent Jews. While other tyrants confess that they know God, their acts of cruelty and injustice denies their claim. Titus 1:16:

“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.”

Polpot (an atheist, leader of the Cambodian communist movement known as the Khmer Rouge)
-has killed probably at least 1.5 million people and it may have been as 3 million

Joseph Stalin (an atheist, General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union’s Central Committee)
-a tyrant who murdered millions of people. He began a series of ‘purges’ in which millions of people died. The purges are known as the Great Terror.
- The Soviet dictator said, “You know, they are fooling us, there is no God… all this talk about God is sheer nonsense.” – (E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin)

Adolf Hitler (Nazi leader, no religious inclination)
-responsible for the murder of some 6 million Jews during the World War II

Sources:
http://www.localhistories.org/tyrants.html
http://www.wikipedia.com
http://www.adherents.com/people/ps/Joseph_Stalin.html)

Will the belief in the true God bring evil to humanity?

He said:
“Thou shalt not kill.” ( Exo.20:13)
“Thou shalt not commit adultery.” (Exo.20:14)
“Honor thy father and thy mother…” (Exo.20:12)
“Thou shalt no steal.” (Exo.20:15)
“Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;” (Ephe.5:25)

Believing in the God who commands all these things will make the human society more humane. There is wisdom and prudence to believe in God as all areas of logic dictates than to deny His existence. Denying God is denying the principle of science and logic that nothing happens without a cause. Romans 1:19-20:

“Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:”

The wonders of the created universe prove the existence of the Most Magnificent Creator. Denying God is denying the dictate of human conscience that there is somebody greater than him. Romans 2:14-15:

“For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; )”

The inability of a man to attain the stature that he perfectly wants to be, proves the fact that he was created by somebody higher in power than him; while understanding the purpose of the Creator, allowing the presence of infirmities in his being, will make him realize how great his Creator is.

Romans 9:20-21:
“Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor?”

II Corinthians 12:7-10:

“And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.”

THERE IS PROBABLY NO GOD, IS AN ESCAPE FROM ALL REALITIES.

Why?

(to be continued…)
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« Reply #1 on: 06 May 2009, 7:13:29 am »

There is a very strong inverse correlation between faith and intelligence.   


Since you seem to have deep faith and a belief in one or more gods, let me spell it out for you.  The higher the level of a person's IQ, the less likely they are to believe in existence of a god or gods.
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« Reply #2 on: 06 May 2009, 7:49:05 am »

I am sure there is. He is lurking around here somewhere in cyberspace and do some postings Himself. I have even seen a picture of him...

Question is - is cyberspace a reality, or just virtual? To me, it is more real than that desert hippie...
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« Reply #3 on: 06 May 2009, 7:57:24 am »

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The higher the level of a person's IQ, the less likely they are to believe in existence of a god or gods.
please support your statement with verifiable evidence.
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« Reply #4 on: 06 May 2009, 8:18:01 am »

The piece in the original post is pretty funny.  The proof that atheists are evil comes from...wait for it..quotes from The Holy Bible!  Well, that settles it then I suppose? Smiley

Also, any religious people who ever did anything evil were actually not religious, just pretending to be since no truly religious person could ever do anything bad.  Get it?  Good.  That's a HELL of a long list of murderous Popes, genocidal Kings, homicidal Mullahs, warmongering Holy Roman Emperors, slaughtering Sultans, etc that were all not really religious.

Zeus, Jesus, Ganesh, Allah, Ra, all other deities and the Tooth Fairy are the same thing (creations of man for the purpose of achieving behavioural change in other men).


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« Reply #5 on: 07 May 2009, 16:49:17 pm »

In I Timothy 6:10, the apostle Paul explained that the love of money is a root of all evil:


Atrocities perpetuated in the name of religion far exceeds those perpetuated for money.

I believe in the existence of God and I dont believe Jesus is god. Grin
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« Reply #6 on: 07 May 2009, 20:30:00 pm »

I agree only that the presence of human beings themselves suggests that there is something or some force which is of a higher order than human beings.

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« Reply #7 on: 07 May 2009, 21:52:46 pm »

Yes, gram,
That is the one thing that all rational people can agree on.
The rest accept that perpetual motion is possible.
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« Reply #8 on: 09 May 2009, 17:43:42 pm »

Without a God, evil would just be a matter of opinion.
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« Reply #9 on: 22 May 2009, 13:37:02 pm »

Even with a God, evil is just a matter of opinion, just depends on the God. But obviously you are referring to the one and only?
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« Reply #10 on: 22 May 2009, 18:11:09 pm »

Man created god when he cannot explain the realities...
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« Reply #11 on: 07 August 2009, 19:36:31 pm »

It should be the other way around.

Those who claim god are those who fear Reality  and blindly believe in what is described as Real in Textbooks.

Most of them who are called agnostic or atheist , are those open-minded analyst , who are still in search of truth, without partiality.

so your statistics must be reversed .. for the world has 70-85% non-believers.. for even when god appears, they will look into the scripture and check whether god matches the outfit.. and declare him or crucify him if he is otherwise..  Grin by branding him as a liar and crucify him for blasphemy.
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« Reply #12 on: 06 December 2009, 9:01:54 am »

"...Those who claim god are those who fear Reality  and blindly believe in what is described as Real in Textbooks..."

What about those events that happen to us in our lives (let's call them 'miracles') that come to pass after we have prayed to God asking for them?  For the true believer such happenings reinforce the faith, it grows ever stronger.  They are as real as anything else on this Earth - perfectly tangible, perhaps even more 'real'

"...for even when god appears, they will look into the scripture and check whether god matches the outfit.. and declare him or crucify him if he is otherwise..   by branding him as a liar and crucify him for blasphemy..."

This is a result of the 'madness of crowds,'  which is a well-known phenomena in the study of economic history (for example) 
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« Reply #13 on: 07 December 2009, 16:38:58 pm »

Atheists are welcome to comment

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The Claim That There Is No God Is An Escape From All Realities
2009 February 24
by Bro. Eli

According to the latest available statistics there are about 15-30% of the world populations that are either agnostic or atheists. Atheist and agnostics are defined as:

agnostic
ag•nos•tic [ag nóstik]
(plural ag•nos•tics)
noun
1. somebody denying God’s existence is provable: somebody who believes that it is impossible to know whether or not God exists
2. somebody denying something is knowable: somebody who doubts that a question has one correct answer or that something can be completely understood
I’m an agnostic concerning space aliens.
[Mid-19th century. < a-2 + gnostic]
-ag•nos•tic, adjective
-ag•nos•ti•cal•ly, adverb
Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

atheist
a•the•ist [áythee ist]
(plural a•the•ists)
noun
unbeliever in God or deities: somebody who does not believe in God or deities
Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

While it is true that there are evil that throughout the history of humanity were done by some people who “allegedly” are believers in the existence of God, the worst of evil were done by those who denied the existence of God Psalms 53:1:

“The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.”

This was the observation of the psalmist David. The same observation was written by another Biblical writer many hundreds of years after David.

In Romans 3:10-18, the apostle Paul categorically stated:

“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulcher; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known:
There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

In I Timothy 6:10, the apostle Paul explained that the love of money is a root of all evil:

“For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil: which some reaching after have been led astray from the faith, and have pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” (ASV)

But Paul was consistent in saying that all evil comes not only from the love of money but by not acknowledging the existence of God. Romans 1:28-32:

“And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

The Godless Hitler murdered millions of innocent Jews. While other tyrants confess that they know God, their acts of cruelty and injustice denies their claim. Titus 1:16:

“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.”

Polpot (an atheist, leader of the Cambodian communist movement known as the Khmer Rouge)
-has killed probably at least 1.5 million people and it may have been as 3 million

Joseph Stalin (an atheist, General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union’s Central Committee)
-a tyrant who murdered millions of people. He began a series of ‘purges’ in which millions of people died. The purges are known as the Great Terror.
- The Soviet dictator said, “You know, they are fooling us, there is no God… all this talk about God is sheer nonsense.” – (E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin)

Adolf Hitler (Nazi leader, no religious inclination)
-responsible for the murder of some 6 million Jews during the World War II

Sources:
http://www.localhistories.org/tyrants.html
http://www.wikipedia.com
http://www.adherents.com/people/ps/Joseph_Stalin.html)

Will the belief in the true God bring evil to humanity?

He said:
“Thou shalt not kill.” ( Exo.20:13)
“Thou shalt not commit adultery.” (Exo.20:14)
“Honor thy father and thy mother…” (Exo.20:12)
“Thou shalt no steal.” (Exo.20:15)
“Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;” (Ephe.5:25)

Believing in the God who commands all these things will make the human society more humane. There is wisdom and prudence to believe in God as all areas of logic dictates than to deny His existence. Denying God is denying the principle of science and logic that nothing happens without a cause. Romans 1:19-20:

“Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:”

The wonders of the created universe prove the existence of the Most Magnificent Creator. Denying God is denying the dictate of human conscience that there is somebody greater than him. Romans 2:14-15:

“For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; )”

The inability of a man to attain the stature that he perfectly wants to be, proves the fact that he was created by somebody higher in power than him; while understanding the purpose of the Creator, allowing the presence of infirmities in his being, will make him realize how great his Creator is.

Romans 9:20-21:
“Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor?”

II Corinthians 12:7-10:

“And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.”

THERE IS PROBABLY NO GOD, IS AN ESCAPE FROM ALL REALITIES.

Why?

(to be continued…)

That is just sad...   how about you go away and think for a while, read up on all manner of text and understand that god is truly a creation of less knowledgable times....   a manifestation of ignorance but to keep believing is more a step into stupidity...  Jesus isnt god dude... if he existed he was a trouble making jewish guy who basically said what budha said a long time before him, though jesus only hinted at it...  the garbage you quote is the same poison that gave us inquisitions and countless deaths and misery through the subsequent 2000 years... 

So get wise become an atheist

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« Reply #14 on: 07 December 2009, 17:24:16 pm »

What about those events that happen to us in our lives (let's call them 'miracles') that come to pass after we have prayed to God asking for them?  For the true believer such happenings reinforce the faith, it grows ever stronger.  They are as real as anything else on this Earth - perfectly tangible, perhaps even more 'real'

And what about those events? Try this next time. Don't be too desperate next time you need to appeal to god's help. Just hold off praying. You will live through whatever hell you were going through.  This too will come to pass. And if you don't, well, you won't live to know the difference.

Funny, each time the cock crows, the sun comes up from the east.  Must be something here. Must be more real.
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