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« Reply #705 on: 14 August 2010, 10:35:27 am »
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Thanks.

Want to buy a unit at The Sail?

I don't think anyone is interested in your unit at these prices. You can get a whole island in Canada for 250.000 USD and in Fidzi for 75.000 USD.

Now which one sounds better, the whole island to yourself or a dogbox in the Sail?  Cheesy


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« Reply #705 on: 14 August 2010, 10:35:27 am »
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« Reply #706 on: 14 August 2010, 10:56:37 am »
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Nobody wants to be in those places....all the action is here in Asia (and will remain so for the foreseeable future), and Singapore is THE KEY location to be in Southeast Asia.

JBA/Wasis/Agent007 have been spot-on correct in their predictions of the housing markets.  They get my vote of confidence.

The Chinese (and Malaysians, Indonesians, Russians even!) will keep coming here dumping scads of cash on Singapore property.  This is what has been happening the last 5 five years at least, all the while know-nothing 'expats' bleat about how the market is about to crash.  They've been wrong and will continue to be so (renting at usurious rates while the locals laugh at them, no less!). 

As for the nominal level of prices, inflation (and its attendant wage increases) will bail Singapore out on this score.

BUY BUY BUY!!!  Don't miss the boat!!!  Otherwise you know where Changi is  Cheesy
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« Reply #707 on: 16 August 2010, 18:48:26 pm »
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Hi I'm new here.

Property seems cheap.

Did it drop in the recession?

Must be a good time to buy now.

Any suggestions for a good studio in CBD up to about 1.75 million max?

Thanks.

Jock
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« Reply #708 on: 16 August 2010, 19:17:07 pm »
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Welcome Jock.  You should find something within your budget.  The sail and marina bay suites are quite popular with the investors.  They are good units some have stunning views.  You will like it here. 
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« Reply #709 on: 16 August 2010, 19:33:00 pm »
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Has a great view of building sites in 3 directions and an office for the other which is close enough to read your appliance names, build quality is terrible. Look elsewhere.

Older condos that have been done up are better, more space and better built.
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« Reply #710 on: 19 August 2010, 0:43:06 am »
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Ive been looking at this post and forum with amusement. Its funny to see so many amateurs discussing investment even though finance is complex and needs professional guidance.

Well, I am a professional financial advisor and I havce 15 years experience. Obviously I can't tell you more, so I will leave it at that.

But I have looked carefully at the prices of The Sail and it looks clearly like an uptrend. When we look at prices of assets we need to known how to chart them and look at the direction and I can see using what we call "moving averages" that this is definitely an uptrend. So I would regard The Sail as an excellent investment. I agree with Agent007 that if you wait you will definitely miss the boat.

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« Reply #711 on: 20 August 2010, 1:01:13 am »
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Glad we have some professionals on here instead of ops staff.

Anyway, in head of quants for asia for a rather large bank and the last two posters (deleted) are really thick.
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« Reply #712 on: 20 August 2010, 6:33:02 am »
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Anyway, in head of quants for asia for a rather large bank and the last two posters (deleted) are really thick.

Well, if you're head of quants for a rather large bank you must know what you're talking about and have all the answers. Thanks for your contribution today!
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« Reply #713 on: 20 August 2010, 8:08:08 am »
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To 'Mr. Head of Quants for a rather large bank,'  Roll Eyes (Sheesh!)

I wouldn't brag too much this if I were you....

New York Times

August 19, 2010
Shrinking ‘Quant’ Funds Struggle to Revive Boom

By JULIE CRESWELL

They were revered as the brightest minds in finance, the “quants” who could outwit Wall Street with their Ph.D.’s and superfast computers.

But after blundering through the financial panic, losing big in 2008 and lagging badly in 2009, these so-called quantitative investment managers no longer look like geniuses, and some investors have fallen out of love with them.

The combined assets of quantitative funds specializing in United States stocks have plunged to $467 billion, from $1.2 trillion in 2007, a 61 percent decline, according to eVestment Alliance, a research firm. That drop reflects both bad investments and withdrawals by clients.

The assets of a broader universe of quant hedge funds have dwindled by about $50 billion. One in four quant hedge funds has closed since 2007, according to Lipper Tass.

"If you go back to early 2008, when Bear Stearns blew up, that’s when a lot of quant managers got blown out of the water," said Neil Rue, a managing director with Pension Consulting Alliance in Portland, Ore. "For many, that was the beginning of the end," he added. Wall Street’s rocket scientists have been written off before. When the hedge fund Long Term Capital Management nearly collapsed in 1998, for instance, some predicted that quants would never regain their former glory.

But this latest setback is nonetheless a stinging comedown for the wizards of high finance. For a generation, managing a quant fund — and making millions or even billions for yourself — seemed to be the running dream in every math and physics department. String theory experts, computer scientists and nuclear physicists came down from their ivory towers to pursue their fortunes on Wall Street.

Along the way, they turned investment management on its head, even as their critics asserted they deepened market collapses like the panic of 2008.

Granted, Wall Street is not about to pull the plug on its computers. To the contrary. A technological arms race is under way to design financial software that can outwit and out-trade the most sophisticated computer systems on the planet.

But the decline of quant fund assets nonetheless runs against what has been a powerful trend in finance. For a change, flesh-and-blood money managers are doing better than the machines. Much of the money that is flowing out of quant funds is flowing into funds managed by human beings, rather than computers.

Terry Dennison, the United States director of investment consulting at Mercer, which advises pension funds and endowments, said the quants had disappointed many big investors. Despite their high-octane computer models — in fact, because of them — many quant funds failed to protect their investors from losses when the markets came unglued two years ago.

And many managers who jumped into this field during good times plugged similar investment criteria into their models. In other words, the computers were making the same bets, and all won or lost in tandem.

“They were all fishing in the same pond,” Mr. Dennison said.

Quant funds are still struggling to explain what went wrong. Some blame personnel changes. Others complain that anxious clients withdrew so much money so quickly that the funds were forced to sell investments at a loss.

Still others say their models simply failed to predict how the markets would react to near-catastrophic, once-in-a-lifetime financial events like the credit crisis and the collapse of Lehman Brothers.

It’s funny, but when quants do well, they all call themselves brilliant, but when things don’t go well, they whine and call it an anomalous market,” said Theodore Aronson, a quant fund manager in Philadelphia whose firm’s assets have dropped to $19 billion, from $31 billion in the spring of 2007.

But Mr. Aronson, who has been using quantitative theories to invest since he was at Drexel Burnham Lambert in the 1970s, said investors would eventually return.

“In the good years, the money rolled in, so I can’t really complain now about the cash flow going out,” Mr. Aronson said. “If somebody can give me proof that this is a horrible way to invest, then I’m going to get out of it and retire.”

Still, some of the biggest names in the business are shrinking after years of breakneck growth. During the last 18 months, assets have fallen at quant funds managed by Intech Investment Management, a unit of the mutual fund company Janus; by the giant money management company Blackrock; and by Goldman Sachs Asset Management.

Even quant legends like Jim Simons, the former code cracker who founded Renaissance Technologies, have seen better days.

Mr. Simons was celebrated as the King of the Quants after his in-house fund, Medallion, posted an average return of nearly 39 percent a year, after fees, from 2000 to 2007. It was an astonishing run rivaling some of the greatest feats in investing history.

But since then, investors have pulled money out of two Renaissance funds that Mr. Simons had opened during the quant boom. After losing 16 percent in 2008 and 5 percent in 2009, assets in the larger of the two funds have dropped to about $4 billion from $26 billion in 2007. (That fund is up about 6.8 percent this year, compared with a loss of about 3 percent marketwide.)

In an effort to woo back investors, some quants are tweaking their computer models. Others are reworking them altogether.

“I think it’s dangerous right now because a lot of quants are working on what I call regime-change models,” or strategies that can shift suddenly with the underlying currents in the market, said Margaret Stumpp, the chief investment officer at Quantitative Management Associates in Newark. The firm has $66 billion in assets under management, and its oldest large-cap fund has had only two down years — 2001 and 2009 — since opening in 1997.

“It’s tantamount to throwing out the baby with the bathwater if you engage in wholesale changes to your approach,” Ms. Stumpp said.

But many quants, particularly late arrivals, are hunting for something, anything, that will give them a new edge. Those who fail again may not survive this shakeout.

“What we’re seeing is that not all quants are created equal,” said Maggie Ralbovsky, a managing director with Wilshire Associates, which gives investment advice to pension funds and endowments.
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« Reply #714 on: 20 August 2010, 9:30:46 am »
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Being in ops though isn't it mr hypocrite.
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« Reply #715 on: 20 August 2010, 11:34:07 am »
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I have been looking at the URA data that shows transacted prices of The Sail. If anyone wants to know how to do this then ask, I can explain the details and help you to understand where to go on their website, its something that tends to be known in professional circuits but not by most people.

Also, as I also double up as an agent I have first hand knowledge of what the Singapore elites are doing.

And I can tell you that the prices are still soaring! Looks like the YOG have given The Sail a fresh wind.

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« Reply #716 on: 20 August 2010, 13:33:49 pm »
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Brilliant, so you are a pimp as well as a moron.

Better listen up then.

You aren't the illegitimate offspring of the equally dumb wassis or agent 007 are you.
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« Reply #717 on: 20 August 2010, 14:42:03 pm »
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I heard that 27 pairs of parents from 16 different countries who came to Singapore watch their kiddies compete in the YOG, have seen The Sail and decided to buy on the spot.  People in the know expect the same next week with at least another 27 sets of YOG parents snapping up The Sail apartments.  Next month SG elites and those in the know, know that 53 more The Sail apartments will be snapped up by F1 fans who only came here to watch the world's first F1 night race.  They all buyers have be told that SG is on the up, and they don't want to miss the boat.
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The object in life is not to be on the side of the Majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the Insane.
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« Reply #718 on: 20 August 2010, 15:20:30 pm »
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"...Being in ops though isn't it mr hypocrite..."

I'd rather be a street walking whore turning tricks for 100 dollars a pop than be part of the Front Office.  At least that way I could say I was doing honest work.

Quanthead is a real laugh-riot.  People like him are responsible for the insolvency of the Western financial system, and here he is chest-thumping on something he knows nothing about.  One would think that after the FO's manifold failures they would have the decency to at least lie low for a while.  Heaven forbid!

Here is everything I have to say about these people:

http://www.expatsingapore.com/forum/index.php/topic,54370.0.html

And this bears repeating:  Back in Q1 2009 when everyone was soiling their drawers about what they *thought* was going to happen here, posters like JBA, Agent 007/XYZ, Wasis, etc were bullish about the property market, and they turned out to be correct

In the real World (outside of Finance) bottom-line results still matter.  These posters deserve their props.
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« Reply #719 on: 20 August 2010, 15:30:07 pm »
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More guff from village idiot.

Hello stupid, it is the idiots who believe the models.  You know, idiots like you who settle cash on the basis of what they churn out.

BTW not all quants are front office, they all earn much more money than a hypocrite like you though.

What a moron.
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