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From New Scientist July 15 2009.


WHEN Darwin unveiled his theory of evolution, the earliest known fossils lay in rocks belonging to what Darwin called the Silurian age. Older rocks seemed devoid of fossils. The apparently sudden appearance of sophisticated animals such as trilobites did not fit in with Darwin's idea of gradual evolution.

"If my theory be true, it is indisputable that before the lowest Silurian stratum was deposited... the world swarmed with living creatures. To the question why we do not find records of these vast primordial periods, I can give no satisfactory answer," Darwin wrote in the first edition of On the Origin of Species. His conundrum is known as Darwin's dilemma.

Of course, we have since discovered innumerable fossils from far earlier periods. Rocks as old as 3.8 billion years contain signs of life, and the first recognisable bacteria appear in rocks 3.5 billion years old. Multicellular plants in the form of red and green algae appear around a billion years ago, followed by the first multicellular animals about 575 million years ago, during the Ediacaran (see "The rise of animals").

Perplexing questions
Even so, many perplexing questions remain. Why did animals evolve so late in the day? And why did the ancestors of modern animals apparently evolve in a geological blink of an eye during the early Cambrian between about 542 and 520 million years ago? A series of recent discoveries could help explain these long-standing mysteries. These findings suggest that the first animals evolved far earlier than we thought, perhaps more than 850 million years ago. The really extraordinary part, though, is that these early animals may have completely transformed the planet, paving the way for the larger and more complex animals that followed them.

Some of the biggest finds have come from an ancient seabed in China, called the Doushantuo Formation, where unusual conditions preserved some extraordinary fossils. Layers between 550 and 580 million years old, during the last part of the Ediacaran, contain tiny spheres consisting of anything from one to dozens of different cells - just like the early embryos of animals. Some have suggested they are the remains of giant bacteria, but a series of studies over the past decade have left little doubt that they really are animal embryos.

In 2007, for instance, Leiming Yin of the Nanjing Institute of Geology and Paleontology in China reported finding embryos encased inside hard, spiky shells - unlike anything produced by bacteria. What is more, shells that are identical apart from the lack of preserved embryos on the inside can be found in rocks as old as 632 million years - the dawn of the Ediacaran - suggesting that the animal embryos themselves go back this far.

Other, more tentative findings push the dawn of animals back even further. Roger Summons of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and his colleague Gordon Love analysed brownish, oily sandstone cores drilled from as deep as 4 kilometres below the desert of Oman. The oil is what's left of dead organisms that drifted down to the depths of ancient oceans, where they decayed slowly due to the lack of oxygen. No visible fossils remain, but within that oil are molecular fossils - chemicals derived from the ancient organisms. In layers between 635 and 713 million years old, Summons and Love found 24-isopropylcholestane (24-IPC), a stable form of a kind of cholesterol nowadays found only in the cell membranes of certain sponges. "The biomass of sponges must have been pretty substantial," says Love, now at the University of California, Riverside. "They were ecologically prominent."

First animals
Another recent discovery places the first animals even earlier. In 850-million-year-old rocks in the MacKenzie Mountains of Canada, researchers were exploring the remains of a massive reef of stromatolites built by cyanobacteria. Among the stromatolites, they found peculiar netted patterns of grey calcium carbonate interspersed with petrified mud. Team member Elizabeth Turner, a palaeontologist at Laurentian University in Sudbury, Ontario, recognised the patterns as a characteristic of a collagen mesh - something only animals build (Geology, vol 37, p 475).

As some dead sponges decay, the scaffold of collagen protein that holds their cells together is replaced by specific calcium carbonate minerals. Meanwhile, mud fills the spaces in between. These characteristic patterns occur during the last 500 million years, and have even been produced from dead sponges in the lab.

What Turner found looks very primitive. "It's even simpler than a sponge," she says. "This may represent the basal metazoan," she says, "the simplest form of animal life, in which a few different types of cells were living together in a shared, collagenous matrix."

These findings fit in well with the molecular evidence. By comparing the genomes of different living organisms, biologists can get an idea not only of what their common ancestor was like but also when it lived. Such studies suggest that the first animals were sponges, or something very like them.

Molecular clocks
What's more, molecular clock estimates have always placed the origin of animals well before the Cambrian. "Even the most conservative molecular clock estimates suggest that animals began to differentiate six, seven, even 800 million years ago," says Andy Knoll, a palaeobiologist at Harvard University. "This goes a long way toward reconciling the geologic record with molecular clock estimates."

The case for early animals is not yet rock solid. It is possible the 24-IPC was produced by single-celled organisms, points out Martin Brasier of the University of Oxford, and he is not convinced by Turner's interpretation of the carbonate patterns. Nevertheless, he thinks animals probably did evolve early on.

But if the first animals really did appear so early, why did they leave behind so few traces? A clue comes from the spiky-shelled Doushantuo embryos. They closely resemble the dormant embryos, or diapause cysts, produced by modern starfish, sea anemones, jellyfish, sponges and other animals when conditions are unfavourable, such as when oxygen levels fall too low.

This is significant because recent studies of the minerals in ancient seabeds around the world suggest that the ocean remained a hostile place for far longer than was once thought. From around 2.5 billion years ago, the poisonous waste produced by photosynthetic bacteria - oxygen - was piling up in the atmosphere and seeped into the top layer of the oceans. Contrary to what has generally been thought, though, everything deeper than a few metres remained anoxic. And having oxygen in the atmosphere but not in the deep oceans created another problem. Oxidative weathering of sulphurous minerals on land, coupled with rain and run-off, poured sulphur into the oceans. Bacteria below the oxygenated surface layer then converted the sulphur into hydrogen sulphide, a gas highly toxic to complex cells called eukaryotes, from which all plants and animals evolved.

Double whammy
The double threat of anoxia and hydrogen sulphide would have confined eukaryotes to the upper few metres of the oceans. Any storm or upwelling that brought deeper water to the surface would have killed everything in its path. "As long as that sulphidic floor existed," Knoll says, "those events would be a persistent brake on eukaryotic evolution."

Sulphide also created another problem for eukaryotes. It latches onto dissolved molybdenum, copper and zinc, forming insoluble minerals that would have locked these essential trace elements away in the sea bed. Shortages of these elements would have limited the fixation of nitrogen, starving entire ecosystems - and especially eukaryotes - of nutrients.

Many bacteria, on the other hand, thrived in these conditions. In fact, by consuming whatever oxygen did penetrate the depths and by pumping out sulphides, they helped maintain this hellish regime. "Bacteria would have run the oceans," Knoll says. "Eukaryotes would have been uninvited guests."

Then, sometime between 900 million and 500 million years ago, everything changed. A series of super ice ages - so-called Snowball Earth events - gripped the Earth, possibly giving early animals a foot in the door. What's striking about Love's fossil sponge chemical, 24-IPC, is that it blinks on just after the Sturtian ice age. Love sees it as no coincidence.

Ocean chemistry
"This glaciation reset the chemistry of the oceans," he says. Ice caps covering the continents halted delivery of sulphur to the oceans and cut off production of hydrogen sulphide. "You have changes in ocean chemistry like an increased availability of molybdenum and zinc," says Ariel Anbar, a biogeochemist at Arizona State University in Tempe, "all of which play into making the world more hospitable for eukaryotes and ultimately, metazoans."

Sponges or something like them would have been the first animals on the scene. They lack a nervous system and have no need for circulatory systems. Animals like jellyfish might also have evolved early.

Life was still very precarious for these early animals, though. Producing diapause cysts may have been essential for their long-term survival, perhaps enabling some to survive even after an upwelling of anoxic water had wiped out every active animal, says Knoll.

The lack of oxygen in the oceans might also explain why we have found so little evidence of early animals. The bigger and thicker an animal's body, the more problems it would have had getting enough oxygen. "It may well be that any mutation that made you large killed you," says Knoll.

Armourless
The same applies to the evolution of armour. For primitive animals without gills or a circulatory system, any hard coat would limit the diffusion of oxygen into the body.

So the first animals were almost certainly tiny and soft-bodied, and thus left few fossil traces. Nevertheless, they changed the oceans forever - by eating its rulers, the bacteria. By doing so, they would have introduced selective pressure for organisms to get larger, to avoid being eaten. And when large plankton die, they often settle to the bottom and are buried, rather than decaying near the surface and consuming oxygen in the process. Slowly, one ocean basin after another was transformed as oxygen penetrated their depths. "When animals started hoovering the ocean out, everything changed, including the ventilation, oxygenation and clarification of the oceans," says Nick Butterfield, a palaeobiologist at the University of Cambridge.

He draws an analogy with modern bodies of water, such as Chesapeake Bay in the US, that become dominated by anaerobic bacteria. Once they're established, these anoxic systems resist change. Often, only the introduction of filter feeders such as mussels can restore clear, oxygenated water. "In the absence of that top-down grazing, you can't get out of that," he says.

Fuel of life
As as the oceans changed, the stage was finally set for the evolution of more sophisticated body forms. The idea that rising oxygen levels played a key role in the explosion of life in the Cambrian is far from new, but most researchers attribute the rise in oceanic oxygen to an increase in the atmosphere. If Butterfield is right, it was actually due to animals taking over from bacteria. "These geochemical signatures [of oxygenation] are not what's causing the evolution of animals," he argues. "They're consequences of the appearance of animals."

"I think he is right," says Brasier. In fact, he thinks the link between complex life and the transformation of the planet runs even deeper. In Darwin's Lost World, a book published earlier this year, Brasier suggests that the increased burial of carbon resulting from the rise of large cells and groups of cells - perhaps including plants such as seaweed too - sucked carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere, triggering the series of ice ages that helped the first animals wrest control of the oceans from bacteria. "Rather than being the cause of animal evolution, the ice ages may well have been the response to it," he says.

Rather than being the cause of animal evolution, the ice ages may well have been a response to it
For a while the climate bounced between wild extremes: during warm periods complex life thrived and lots of carbon was locked away, leading to deep ice ages. During the ice ages, carbon burial ceased, and the planet warmed again. These swings ended only when burrowing creatures with a gut evolved towards the end of the Ediacaran, Brasier thinks. By recycling the organic matter falling to the sea floor, they reduced carbon burial and stabilised the climate. "There are no Snowball Earth glaciations after big animals evolve," he says.

But if the evolution of animals really did trigger the ice ages and the oxygenation of the oceans, rather than the other way round, why didn't animals appear much sooner? After all, single-celled eukaryotes were around from 1.5 billion years ago, and possibly much earlier.

Sheer difficulty
Butterfield thinks the main reason animals evolved relatively late in Earth's history was the sheer difficulty of evolving the cell adhesion and signalling machinery necessary for cells to work together. Once these basics were in place, though, the pace of evolution began to quicken.

Put together, all the recent findings and ideas paint a picture of early evolution dramatically different from what we long imagined. The oceans did not suddenly become hospitable places for large animals 2.5 billion years ago when the atmosphere began to fill with oxygen, nor did animals suddenly appear during the early Cambrian. Instead, the first animals appeared much earlier but were limited to a thin layer of surface water in hostile oceans still dominated by bacteria. They were restricted in size by the lack of oxygen, starved of vital nutrients and regularly killed en masse by toxic upwellings.

Their deaths were not in vain, though. As their bodies sunk to the bottom of the toxic seas and were buried, carbon dioxide was sucked out of the atmosphere, triggering a series of deep ice ages that reset the chemistry of the oceans. The surviving animals seized the opportunity to wrest control of the oceans from the bacteria, producing clear waters rich in oxygen in which larger, more complex animals could evolve. Thus the stage was set for the Cambrian explosion.

Of course, fossil hunters are going to have to do a lot more digging to confirm these startling new hypotheses. "I suspect things will turn up," says Brasier, "but if they don't we have to listen to the evidence."
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« Reply #1 on: 15 July 2009, 16:36:34 pm »

2344 words! A new copy/paste master!
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« Reply #2 on: 15 July 2009, 16:37:30 pm »

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« Reply #3 on: 24 July 2009, 1:46:16 am »

Chemical Elements of Life 2

 Nitrogen. Clays and various rocks absorb nitrogen. Had millions of years passed before life evolved, the sediments that preceded life should be filled with nitrogen. Searches have never found such sediments [f].

Basic chemistry does not support the evolution of life [g].

f. “If there ever was a primitive soup [to provide the chemical compounds for evolving life] , then we would expect to find at least somewhere on this planet either massive sediments containing enormous amounts of the various nitrogenous organic compounds, amino acids, purines, pyrimidines and the like, or alternatively in much metamorphosed sediments we should find vast amounts of nitrogenous cokes. In fact no such materials have been found anywhere on earth. Indeed to the contrary, the very oldest of sediments ... are extremely short of nitrogen.” J. Brooks and G. Shaw, Origin and Development of Living Systems (New York: Academic Press, 1973), p. 359.

“No evidence exists that such a soup ever existed.” Abel and Trevors, p. 3.

g. “The acceptance of this theory [life’s evolution on earth] and its promulgation by many workers [scientists and researchers] who have certainly not always considered all the facts in great detail has in our opinion reached proportions which could be regarded as dangerous.” Ibid., p. 355.

Certainly, ignoring indisputable, basic evidence in most scientific fields is expensive and wasteful. Failure to explain the evidence to students betrays a trust and misleads future teachers and leaders.

Readers should consider why, despite the improbabilities and lack of proper chemistry, many educators and the media have taught for a century that life evolved on earth. Abandoning or questioning that belief leaves only one strong contender—creation. Questioning evolution in some circles invites ostracism, much like stating that the proverbial emperor “has no clothes.”

http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/LifeSciences33.html#wp1009402
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« Reply #4 on: 29 August 2009, 10:32:10 am »

1973?

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Nitrogen. Clays and various rocks absorb nitrogen. Had millions of years passed before life evolved, the sediments that preceded life should be filled with nitrogen. Searches have never found such sediments [f].

Basic chemistry does not support the evolution of life [g].


Ok. Chemistry 101.
Clays etc do not adsorb ( Note ADsorb, not AB sorb) nitrogen.
They adsorb nitrates. Nitrates are formed when nitrogen reacts with oxygen, at the high temperature of lightning bolts. Until photosynthetic  life had evolved, there was no oxygen in the atmosphere.
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« Reply #6 on: 02 September 2009, 14:30:30 pm »

Ok. Biology 101.
Bacteria convert Nitrogen into Nitrate.
Nitrate is then transformed into Nitrite, which in turn is turned back into Nitrogen.
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Ok. Biology 101.
Bacteria convert Nitrogen into Nitrate.
Nitrate is then transformed into Nitrite, which in turn is turned back into Nitrogen.
Yes. Nitrifying bacteria convert ammonium salts into nitrates. Denitrifying bacteria convert the nitrates into nitrites and eventually nitrogen.
Nitrates are also formed from nitrogen by bacteria in nodules on the roots of leguminous plants.
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« Reply #8 on: 02 September 2009, 17:26:41 pm »

I guess we have a bit of a problem now.

See, nitrogen comes from decomposing organic materials.
Without those materials, there is no nitrogen.
However, organic materials need nitrate to complete the process of decomposition, so which was first...nitrate, nitrogen or organic materials?

Another problem is that photosynthetic life (plants mostly) needs nitrogen to grow.

So here is the thing, one of the products of photosynthesis is oxygen, the thing that is needed to make nitrates.
But if there are no plants, than there is no nitrogen to make the nitrates to make the plants grow so they can make oxygen.

So how?
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« Reply #9 on: 02 September 2009, 21:47:43 pm »

Before life, earth had an atmosphere containing ammonia (NH3) methane water and other compounds.
Numerous laboratory experiments have shown that electric discharges passed through such atmospheres produce amino acids, the building blocks of proteins. These are very soluble in water and would not have accumulated in deposits.
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« Reply #10 on: 09 October 2009, 10:30:10 am »

There are so many problems with this assumption.
First of all, nobody knows what the composition of earths atmosphere was.
It is indeed possible to create amino acids, but tremendous amounts of energy is needed for that.

The main problem however is that in an atmosphere described below, essential compounds cannot be contained within the atmosphere but will leak into space. For example hydrogen.

Anyway, the objection I have is that it is not a FACT that earths atmosphere had both ammonia & methane present.
These are assumptions, and both compounds could as well have been absent in earths early atmosphere.
Also an atmosphere like the above destroys life, rather than supports it.

The same problem occurs again, science contradicting itself.
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« Reply #11 on: 11 October 2009, 12:51:11 pm »

So whats the argument and how does an obscure reference to a 1973 article on primitive soup prove anything? 

The fossils exist and more keep being found year after year, whereas the evidence of religion is based on extremely unreliable sources that when deconstructed demonstrate that all three monothesisms are little more than complete horse sh*t.  Still some people happily cling to anything to give them meaning... 
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« Reply #12 on: 12 October 2009, 10:58:07 am »

“There are so many problems with this assumption.”

Let me try to solve them for you.

“First of all, nobody knows what the composition of earth’s atmosphere was.
It is indeed possible to create amino acids, but tremendous amounts of energy is needed for that.”

Observations of our neighbouring planets and of comets strongly suggest that the composition was as stated. Of course nobody knows from personal observation because nobody (except God) was there. The tremendous amount of energy would have been provided by lightning strikes.

“The main problem however is that in an atmosphere described below, essential compounds cannot be contained within the atmosphere but will leak into space. For example hydrogen.”

Certainly hydrogen molecules will not remain in the atmosphere but will escape into space. The hydrogen is provided by ammonia NH3.

“Anyway, the objection I have is that it is not a FACT that earths atmosphere had both ammonia & methane present.
These are assumptions, and both compounds could as well have been absent in earths early atmosphere.”

Possible, of course, but can you state as a FACT that the earth was created in around 6000 BC and all the animals in the week following?

“Also an atmosphere like the above destroys life, rather than supports it.
The same problem occurs again, science contradicting itself.”
Certainly that atmosphere is toxic to   large oxygen breathing creatures, but there are a number of anaerobic bacteria which are tolerant to high ammonia concentrations. The first life may have resembled them.
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« Reply #13 on: 12 October 2009, 11:05:38 am »

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So whats the argument and how does an obscure reference to a 1973 article on primitive soup prove anything? 
 
The problem is that creationists find it impossible to believe that complex molecules could be produced from simpler ones by purely natural means. This classic ( not obscure) experiment proved that it was possible.
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« Reply #14 on: 15 October 2009, 12:32:05 pm »

OM,

1) Observations of neighbouring planets is by all means not prove of earths early composition. If it was, than the assumption would be made that all planets except for earth, would not have evolved through time.

2) If hydrogen disperses into space, where did the hydrogen come from needed for the presence of liquid water, to support life on earth?

3) Religion itself does not state that it is prove, religion cannot be proven. Science however is based of prove. Therefor one can demand FACTUAL statements from a scientist.

4) The complete absence of an ozon layer in early earth would have caused UV radiation to kill any life form.

5) In an atmosphere made up by ammonia & methane it is highly unlikely that thunderstorms the size needed to create enough energy to trigger the formation of amino acids.
Then again, IF it did, UV radiation would have killed it off immediately.

6) Experiments showing that amino acids can be made from ammonia, methane and electricity happen in strictly controlled environments.
Elements created in that experiment, which are harmful to amino acids, are filtered out immediately. Once cannot explain or show that such filtering took place in early earths atmosphere and how that than should have taken place.

7) Creationists are not alone in their critisism on the experiments. Even in the scientific community it is largely disputed that the experiments represent a likely or even believable term of events. Prsently scientists tend to believe that elements entered earth from sources in space.

Cool This I have taken from your earlier messages, and I quote: "Until photosynthetic  life had evolved, there was no oxygen in the atmosphere".
So, if that is the case, where did the oxygen come from, needed to create liquid water which is an absolute necessity for the creation of life?

In short: An ozon layer could not have formed because the elements for an ozon layer were not present in earths atmosphere.
UV radiation would have had free access and killed off any amino acids formed by the reaction between the elemnts in earths atmosphere, and the garbage elements created by this reaction which are harmful to amino acids, would have floated into space.
These same garbage elements however, are needed for the creation of liquid water, which would have been the only place where amino acids could have survived from UV radiation.

Finally, it is not that scientists found the earth to be of this composition and then proceeded with their experiments.
It is that because with this experiment scientists succeeded to create amino acids, the assumption was made that earths atmosphere must have been composed of these elements.

See, there is also a good thing about being a creationist...for them the problem is solved.
Scientists however, with science contradicting "facts" continuously...will be in doubt forever.
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