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« Reply #105 on: 22 October 2010, 2:22:59 am »
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It is not down to anyone to prove decoupling has not happened. Economies were coupled, you need to prove the change not expect people to prove no change.

You haven't done anything other than post articles from journalists you like and dismissing those you don't with comments as comprehensively destructive as "I disagree".

That said, if china (which is what you really mean, same as you think west is USA) had decoupled, why not let the currency float and stop buying treasuries at all.

Oh yeah, cause they would be f$cked, clearly very decoupled then.
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« Reply #105 on: 22 October 2010, 2:22:59 am »
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« Reply #106 on: 22 October 2010, 11:44:56 am »
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why bother with him?

Everything you just mentioned is bang on. He's got some serious issues to handle ("V will make you pay" etc....) so it's probably best to just ignore his input on the threads like it wasn't there.


and yes concepts such as where the burden of proof is too much for his intellect........
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« Reply #107 on: 22 October 2010, 13:38:13 pm »
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Since the GFC of 2008:

*EM Asian currencies have outperformed Western ones
*EM Asian equities have outperformed Western ones
*Asian EM GDP has outperformed Western GDP (this in the face of collapsed demand for Asian EM exports to the West)
*Asian EM property and other asset classes have seen huge inflows of Western money
*Asians from EM countries are increasingly packing up and returning home as opportunities are better for them here in Asia than in the West

You need to PROVE that NONE of the above have occurred.

If you don't, you LOSE.

Have a great weekend all!!!
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« Reply #108 on: 22 October 2010, 14:03:10 pm »
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V, you're losing it.  Shocked
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« Reply #109 on: 24 October 2010, 13:24:19 pm »
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It can fairly be said that the chain of catastrophic bets made over the past decade by a few hundred bankers may well turn out to be the greatest nonviolent crime against humanity in history.
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« Reply #110 on: 28 October 2010, 10:14:27 am »
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Amen, Neeraj!  Grin

Decoupling: Alive And Well

by Neeraj Chaudhary October 27, 2010

While the U.S. economy continues to weaken, many foreign economies continue to experience solid--even spectacular--economic growth. When the global economic crisis began in 2008, many forecasters doubted that the world economy could return to growth without the U.S. consumer. But the world is learning that the U.S. consumer is a drag on the world economy, not an engine for growth. As "decoupling" becomes more apparent, emerging economies are forming trade links among themselves, accelerating the process of decline for the United States.

To get a better understanding of how decoupling works, it helps to picture a train in motion. Together, the cars and engine travel together on the track. Now imagine that last car, the caboose, detaches from the rest of the train. At first, the caboose travels at nearly the same speed as the rest of the train. The distance between the two is hardly discernable. Over time, however, the car slows down as friction and gravity take their toll. Meanwhile, the engine powers ahead. The distance between the caboose and the train gradually becomes greater and greater, until finally the engine is gone from sight, leaving the caboose sitting idle on the track.

This process describes how many of the world's economies are steadily pulling away from the United States. As trade links grow between countries far from our shores (such as those being solidified between Asia and South America), the distance between the United States and the rest of the world is becoming larger, and decoupling is becoming more and more pronounced.

While the U.S. economy sputtered to a 1.6% growth rate in the 2nd quarter (Q2), many Asian countries rapidly pulled away, powered by trade with each other and the rest of the world. In Q2, China's economy grew a startling 10.3%. Americans would be thrilled with growth half that rate. Asia's second rising star, India, expanded by a solid 8.8%. The Four Tigers also posted excellent numbers: Hong Kong grew at a 6.5% clip, South Korea at a faster 7.1%, and Taiwan at 12.53%--while Singapore clocked an astonishing 18.8% growth rate! If that's not decoupling, I don't know what is.

These numbers are not likely to be a short-term phenomenon. Instead, I feel they represent a dramatic realignment in the pattern of global economic activity. Economies that have long enjoyed a trade surplus are now less likely to loan money to broke and bloated deficit economies such as the United States. They are now more inclined to consume their own production or trade with other exporting nations. Indeed, China is now the largest trading partner for several of the world's major economies, including Japan, South Korea, India, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Australia, Russia, and Brazil. Slowed by the gravity of excess debt and the friction of increasing taxes and regulation, the American caboose is straining to keep up.

But the trend is not limited to Asia. All around the world, countries with sound economic policies are continuing to expand. In fact, despite the attention paid to the so-called PIIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain), several European economies are also showing signs of decoupling. Germany, Europe's economic powerhouse, grew at 2.2% in Q2 - its fastest rate in over 20 years! Switzerland expanded by 3.4% in the 2nd quarter, while Sweden and Finland grew by 4.6% and 3.7% respectively. Even historically tumultuous Poland boasted a 3.5% growth rate. Predictably, this growth has whetted Europe's appetite for imports, causing the EU to recently surpass the U.S. as China's largest export market.

The trend also extends to producers of the single most important commodity in the world: oil. According to the Department of Energy, the U.S. imports over 60% of its oil consumption; however, new production is increasingly being diverted to international markets, leaving our country vulnerable to 1970s-style shortages.

In the 1st quarter of this year, Saudi Arabia exported more oil to China than it did to the U.S. With a new growth market for its petroleum, Saudi Arabia is estimated to grow 3.9% this year. Russia grew at a rate of 5.2% in Q2, largely for the same reason. China is now believed to be Iran's largest trading partner, according to some sources. And although the United States remains Venezuela's largest trading partner, China's nearly insatiable demand for oil has catapulted it into second place for trade with this oil-exporting nation.

Whether you are looking at ASEAN, OPEC, or the EU, it is clear that decoupling is the order of the day. The world economy is rebuilding itself with China as its engine and hub. This is the essence of decoupling, and until recently, it was thought by many respected figures to be impossible.

In the old days, it was said that when the United States sneezed, the rest of the world caught a cold. This time, they might just excuse themselves and move to the next car.

Neeraj Chaudhary is an Investment Consultant in the Los Angeles branch of Euro Pacific Capital. He holds a B.A. in Economics from the University of California at Berkeley.


Views are as of October 27, 2010, and are subject to change based on market conditions and other factors. These views should not be construed as a recommendation for any specific security.

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« Reply #111 on: 05 January 2011, 16:43:39 pm »
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Gram,

Well Done!!! Excellent call on the US Equities market. 

$Pripps/Kubes,

You guys were WAY off (as usual for Kubes).

As for me, I hit on some and missed on some...overall a great year!!
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« Reply #112 on: 05 January 2011, 17:37:04 pm »
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Yep its decoupled and its on its way to better things in 2011.  It will be an amazing year for singapore and all of asia !

The west has had its days.  This is the place. Wink
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« Reply #113 on: 06 January 2011, 16:19:28 pm »
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Zero interest rate soon?
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« Reply #114 on: 06 January 2011, 16:53:32 pm »
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Malaysia & Indonesia will make it into the top 30 countries because of its huge oil and mineral reserves.

China will be the top of the tree at $26tr with USA in 2nd place at $23 tr (yes the USA !)

So if you are thinking of buying a property, I would do it now rather than later. The gloomy times in the west are coming to an end it looks like.

and - Asia is on the up !
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« Reply #115 on: 15 January 2011, 13:28:09 pm »
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Gram,

Well Done!!! Excellent call on the US Equities market. 

$Pripps/Kubes,

You guys were WAY off (as usual for Kubes).

As for me, I hit on some and missed on some...overall a great year!!


Thanks Vulcan. Nevertheless, your broader and more long-term thesis remains very much intact.
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