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« on: 10 October 2009, 0:07:22 am »

I mean I love Obama – I think he is the best thing that has happened to the USA for a long time. I’m a flaming liberal but I have to admit that today’s announcement of his wining the Nobel Peace prize has taken me aback. To quote the committee:
The Norwegian Nobel Committee countered that it was trying "to promote what he stands for and the positive processes that have started now." It lauded the change in global mood wrought by Obama's calls for peace and cooperation, and praised his pledges to reduce the world stock of nuclear arms, ease American conflicts with Muslim nations and strengthen the U.S. role in combating climate change.

I feel that there is so much pressure on this one man to change the world. He cannot do this alone. So many leaders have expressed their endorsement of Obama’s hopes and dreams but it will take more than one man to achieve these dreams.

I wish Obama all the best but there are so many in America who wish him to fail. In particular the so called “conservative right” who object to anything Obama says without thinking what is best for Americans.

I say to all Americans that we need to stand up for our rights – not to let the fear mongers amongst us to say what is truly American. It is not black or white. Let us live in together in peace. Let not the not-so-silent minority say what is truly American. They don’t speak for me. They don’t speak for the majority of Americans.






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« Reply #1 on: 10 October 2009, 22:40:38 pm »

Frankly, I think it has seriously debased the Nobel Peace Prize.

Such prestigious awards are/should be given after careful consideration and based on genuine achievement usually accompanied by hardship and suffering, not electioneering sound bites.

Whilst I also like Obama, I am not enchanted or hypnotised by his rhetoric.
I have heard it all before. We still wait for a Palestinian state...

And personally I find it sad and not a little disappointing that any nation, especially USA, can view any individual as their "saviour". Such abject despair deserves pity. Is that what you want?

Especially as he is about to ratchet-up the US troop levels in Afghanistan. And why, again, are we in Afghanistan?

I think his views advocating nuclear disarmament are clearly insane and ignore the lessons of history especially C20 history.
The danger is that the British New Labour sycophants will take him seriously; perhaps this is why we have almost completely eliminated history from the UK curriculum in our schools?
 
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« Reply #2 on: 16 March 2010, 12:52:07 pm »

Does the OP still think Obama is the best thing that happened to the U.S?
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« Reply #3 on: 26 March 2010, 8:57:49 am »

I am very proud of our President.  He has finally DONE something with health care and I applaud his going out on a limb re: resolution of the Israel-Palestine situation.  He has the makings of a great leader!

Democrats near victorious end of health care fight

By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent
34 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Capping an epic struggle, congressional Democrats applied the final touches Thursday to historic legislation enshrining health care as the right of every citizen. Republicans vowed to campaign for repeal in the fall election season, drawing a quick retort from President Barack Obama: "I welcome that fight."
The president spoke in Iowa as the Senate voted 56-43 for legislation making changes, including better benefits for seniors and lower- and middle-class families, to the bill he signed with a flourish at the White House on Tuesday. That cleared the way for a final, confirming vote in the House, which Democratic leaders hoped for by evening.
Passage of the two bills was the culmination of what Obama called "a year of debate and a century of trying" to ensure coverage for nearly all in a nation where millions lack it. Taken together, the two bills also aim to crack down on insurance industry abuses, and to reduce federal deficits by an estimated $143 billion over a decade. Most Americans would be required to buy insurance for the first time, and face penalties if they refused.
The second of the two bills also presented Obama with another victory, stripping banks and other private lenders of their ability to originate student loans in favor of a system of direct government lending.
Apart from their impact on nearly every American and an estimated one-sixth of the American economy, the week's events marked Obama's biggest political triumphs since he took office more than a year ago. A pending arms control agreement with Russia, announced on Wednesday, added to his resume, and White House officials said they hoped the momentum would translate into further political successes in the run-up to the midterm elections.
After a months-long battle in Congress, the political struggle was morphing into a new phase, where public debate was tinged with violence — and politicians accused one another of seeking to exploit it for their own advantage.
More than 10 lawmakers in the House said they had received threats or worse as a consequence of the health care debate, most of them Democrats who voted in favor of the legislation. There were reports of bricks through windows, a cut propane line to a grill and numerous obscene and threatening phone calls and faxes. An undisclosed number of lawmakers were under increased police protection.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and the GOP leader, Rep. John Boehner of Ohio, both denounced the threats and incidents of violence. But Democrats said Republicans had been too slow to respond, drawing an outraged response in return.
"By ratcheting up the rhetoric, some will only inflame these situations to dangerous levels," said Republican Whip Eric Cantor of Virginia. "Enough is enough. It has to stop."
An aide to Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, head of the Democratic 2010 campaign effort, responded: "This is straight out of the Republicans' political playbook of deflecting responsibility and distracting attention away from a serious issue."
"Repeal and Replace" was the new slogan for Republicans as they pivoted away from earlier attempts to kill the health care legislation. Officials said it was meant to appeal to tea party activists — who staged an occasionally unruly demonstration outside the Capitol over the weekend — as well as to independent voters eager for changes in the health care system but fearful the Democrats went too far.
"Republicans fought on behalf of the American people this week and will continue to fight until this bill is repealed and replaced with commonsense ideas that solve our problems without dismantling the health care system we have and without burying the American dream under a mountain of debt," said Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.
Repeal was far-fetched in the extreme, since Republicans are now deep in the minority in both houses and would need a two-thirds majority to overcome a certain veto by Obama.
But Republicans circulated polls showing public backing for the overhaul at no better than 40 percent, despite months of Democratic efforts to rally support. Attacking the bill as a government takeover of health care paid for in higher taxes and Medicare cuts, they taunted House Democrats who voted for it, saying those lawmakers had cleared the way for their own defeat this fall.
Democrats said any unease was the result of months of Republican distractions — as far back as last summer's debunked charges of "death panels" — and predicted the public would warm to the new law once its first benefits take effect.
That was Obama's pitch in Iowa, where he touted a "set of reforms" that will take effect before the elections.
He said small businesses would be eligible for tax credits to help them cover the cost of insurance for employees, including a $250 rebate from the government for seniors with high prescription drug costs.
"This year, insurance companies will no longer be able to drop people's coverage when they get sick, or place lifetime limits or restrictive annual limits on the amount of care they can receive," he said.
"This is the reform that some folks in Washington are still hollering about. And now that it's passed, they're already promising to repeal it. ... Well, I say go for it," he said.
Senate passage of the follow-up measure was nearly along party lines. Democratic Sens. Blanche Lincoln and Mark Pryor of Arkansas and Ben Nelson of Nebraska joined 39 Republicans in opposing the legislation. Republican Johnny Isakson of Georgia, who is hospitalized, did not vote.
The day's events marked the final stages of a rescue mission that Obama and Democratic leaders mounted more than two months ago, after Republicans unexpectedly won a Massachusetts Senate seat, and with it, the ability to slow final action on health care legislation.
Under a revised strategy, the House agreed to approve a Senate-passed bill despite numerous objections, on the condition that both houses would follow quickly with a fix-it measure. The one finally brought to a vote on Thursday added more than $20 billion to subsidies for lower- and middle-income individuals and families who will be required to purchase insurance, and about $8 billion over a decade for states that already provide more generous than average Medicaid benefits.
The Senate vote took place with Vice President Joe Biden presiding, a symbolic gesture since his vote was not needed.
Moments before approving the legislation, the Senate paused for a moment of silence in memory of Sen. Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, who died last year after a career of more than 45 years in which he relentlessly pursued legislation to enact national health care.

NEW YORK TIMES March 24, 2010

U.S. Presses Israel on Housing as Dispute Widens

By HELENE COOPER and ISABEL KERSHNER

WASHINGTON — With Israeli officials saying that construction on a contentious Jewish housing project in East Jerusalem could begin at any time, President Obama pressed Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday to give a written commitment to rein in any further building and to move ahead on peace talks with the Palestinians.

Israeli and American negotiators huddled in Washington for a second straight day, after two sessions at the White House on Tuesday night ended in an impasse.

Mr. Netanyahu continued to balk at American demands that he find a way to reverse another East Jerusalem housing plan: the one in the Ramat Shlomo neighborhood that was announced during Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s trip to Israel this month, igniting a diplomatic storm.

The Obama administration also wants Mr. Netanyahu to allow scheduled negotiations with the Palestinians to focus on substantive issues like borders and security.

After a session with Mr. Obama in the Oval Office on Tuesday night that lasted an hour and a half, Mr. Netanyahu met with his own negotiators for another hour and a half in the White House Roosevelt Room.

Then he returned to the Oval Office for a final 30-minute session with Mr. Obama before returning to his hotel.

Having delayed his departure, Mr. Netanyahu on Wednesday continued the talks, which included a session with Mr. Obama’s Middle East envoy, George J. Mitchell.

United States and Israeli officials said they would continue to negotiate.

“The president has asked the prime minister for certain things to build confidence,” the White House spokesman, Robert Gibbs, said.

In a sign of how hard it may be to resolve the dispute, Israeli officials confirmed Tuesday that another East Jerusalem project was under way, this one for 20 residential units in the Shepherd Hotel compound in a neighborhood populated mostly by Palestinians.

Jerusalem City Hall gave the project the final go-ahead on March 18, days after city officials said the landowners had paid the required fees.

Tommy Vietor, a White House spokesman, said Wednesday that the United States was seeking clarification on the building project.

In New York, the United Nations secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, told the Security Council, “All settlement activity is illegal, but inserting settlers into Palestinian neighborhoods in Jerusalem is particularly troubling.”

“This leads to tensions and undermines prospects for addressing the final status of Jerusalem,” Mr. Ban said.

News of the latest project was first published by an Israeli news Web site, Ynet, on Tuesday night, shortly before Mr. Netanyahu was scheduled to begin his meeting with Mr. Obama.

In Israel, officials described the Ynet report as “distorted” and intended “to stir up a provocation” during Mr. Netanyahu’s visit. The plan received final approval last July, the officials said.

Israel captured East Jerusalem from Jordan in the 1967 war, but its annexation was never internationally recognized. The Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of a future state.

The Obama administration had been close to starting indirect talks, called proximity talks, between the Israelis and Palestinians, with an American envoy shuttling between the two sides, but the talks were put off after the row over the 1,600 new housing units in Ramat Shlomo, an ultra-Orthodox neighborhood of East Jerusalem.

Mr. Netanyahu has apologized for the bad timing of the announcement during the vice president’s visit but continues to insist publicly on Israel’s right to build anywhere in Jerusalem. The Obama administration, for its part, is now insisting on public assurances from Israel that it will take constructive steps to resuscitate the peace talks.

Saeb Erekat, the chief Palestinian negotiator, said Wednesday in a statement that “Israel is digging itself into a hole that it will have to climb out of if it is serious about peace.”

The Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, will decide whether he is willing to go through with the proximity talks after he receives a report from the White House about the discussions with Mr. Netanyahu, Palestinian officials said.
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« Reply #4 on: 30 March 2010, 16:22:45 pm »

Does the OP still think Obama is the best thing that happened to the U.S?

And why wouldn't he?  Finally the US has caught up with the rest of the civilised world in the healthcare arena.
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« Reply #5 on: 30 April 2010, 17:04:27 pm »

orwellian -  I said "I think he is the best thing that has happened to the USA for a long time." I did not say "ever". And yes, I still believe this.

I also believe that he is a bit too cerebral and needs to stick his neck out some more. That said, I think he is playing it smart and waiting til he gets four more years (and he will). Then watch and see the not-so-closet liberal emerge.

I can’t wait for it to happen.
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« Reply #6 on: 30 April 2010, 18:10:16 pm »

JLS,

I agree with everything you have posted, except for the 'too cerebral' bit.  I will even go as far as to say that the 2010 elections will not be bad for the Democrats at all.  They will retain control of both the Senate and the House, and will continue to enjoy healthy margins in the latter chamber.   I think it is the Republicans that will pay a heavy price with their united 'No' attitude on just about anything that comes out of Obama's mouth.

Obama is a shrewd politician, and is playing the financial crisis very well and much to his advantage. 
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« Reply #7 on: 29 May 2010, 21:09:48 pm »

Frankly, I think it has seriously debased the Nobel Peace Prize.

Such prestigious awards are/should be given after careful consideration and based on genuine achievement usually accompanied by hardship and suffering, not electioneering sound bites.

Whilst I also like Obama, I am not enchanted or hypnotised by his rhetoric.
I have heard it all before. We still wait for a Palestinian state...

And personally I find it sad and not a little disappointing that any nation, especially USA, can view any individual as their "saviour". Such abject despair deserves pity. Is that what you want?

Especially as he is about to ratchet-up the US troop levels in Afghanistan. And why, again, are we in Afghanistan?

I think his views advocating nuclear disarmament are clearly insane and ignore the lessons of history especially C20 history.
The danger is that the British New Labour sycophants will take him seriously; perhaps this is why we have almost completely eliminated history from the UK curriculum in our schools?
 

Well, the prize was already quite debased considering Arafat received it. Now it's officially a joke. Your hero has done nothing but escalate the war in Afghanistan and refused to take action against torture dungeons. He's another military junta stooge. It was very funny seeing all the young people of America swoon over his idiotic speeches.
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