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Author Topic: Chinese RMB to Appreciate? By When?  (Read 3284 times)
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« on: 21 April 2010, 20:38:28 pm »
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I have US$200K in cash, and I am wondering should I exchange it into RMB, as it seems RMB will appreciate soon. in a few months?

What's your opinion? is RMB to go up and when?

Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: 22 April 2010, 9:52:00 am »
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The most accurate response is that the RMB will go up and go down in value in the future.
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« Reply #2 on: 22 April 2010, 10:53:51 am »
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Use as deposit on a unit at The Sail. Will make 10% before end June
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educated guess
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« Reply #3 on: 22 April 2010, 11:44:25 am »
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Is some sort of reval or partial float around june.

Where are you planning to buy though, it isn't freely convertible.
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that was my question
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« Reply #4 on: 22 April 2010, 12:16:57 pm »
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Would you do a cash trade at a money changer in Little India or what?
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« Reply #5 on: 22 April 2010, 12:56:19 pm »
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I think the Chinese govt. will make the move at the end of this month, before the May day holidays. After the move Aussie $ may go down a bit. If you visit China frequently it's good to keep some RMB.
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well yeah but
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« Reply #6 on: 22 April 2010, 14:23:48 pm »
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Question still stands, 200k worth, may be tricky.
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« Reply #7 on: 28 April 2010, 20:20:57 pm »
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I would buy ETFs that get you exposure to the Yuan (there is more than one out there)
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« Reply #8 on: 29 April 2010, 1:39:48 am »
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As was mentioned before you cannot buy RMB as you are planning. It is not a freely convertable currency.

The only places you CAN convert it is by transferring the money into a chinese bank account in China. The only exception to this would be Hong Kong which is treated differently.

Technically it is supposedly not allowed to carry RMB currency outside of China with Hong Kong being the only gray area.

Chinese currency conversion is done ultimately ONLY by State run Chinese banks. They can arbitrarily set whatever rate they want for exchange...and that is exactly what they have been doing.

Its 95% politics and 5% economics.
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« Reply #9 on: 29 April 2010, 1:48:29 am »
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I forgot to add...that once your money is put into RMB they can (and do all the time) prevent you from exchanging it back to whatever currency it came from.

If you live and work in China you must have 'permission' before they allow you to wire money out of China. Generally you have to provide all types of tax forms for one proving you paid taxes before they will allow a wire transfer.

Companies have a little more leeway but they do have to set up 'pre approval' schemes with authorities before hand. (IE companies that are buying goods from overseas etc)

The Chinese government proactively fights any and all speculation on their currency including 'hot money' that was put into RMB hoping for quick appreciation or whatever.

Basically if they think this is what you are doing the banking officials will quite simply tell you a flat 'No' and disallow you to wire money out of the account, and yes, even if its your own money.

Put it onshore into China and odds are it will be there for a while. 
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« Reply #10 on: 03 May 2010, 4:32:59 am »
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I have changed RMB in the UK but it was only a small amount.  So does this mean if you buy a property in china and sell it off later this year you have to keep the profit there ?
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« Reply #11 on: 03 May 2010, 6:41:14 am »
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I have changed RMB in the UK but it was only a small amount.  So does this mean if you buy a property in china and sell it off later this year you have to keep the profit there ?

not nessisarily.

You can get the money out but you have to have a slew of forms with you (taken to the bank) to show that you paid all taxes on all levels before you will be given permission to send any large sums of money overseas.

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« Reply #12 on: 20 June 2010, 9:06:53 am »
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Looks like the answer to OP's question is : tomorrow!

Will be interesting to see how all other Asian EM currencies react to this relative to the USD:

New York Times
June 19, 2010
China Signals a Gradual Rise in Value of Its Currency
By KEITH BRADSHER
HONG KONG — China announced on Saturday evening that it would allow greater flexibility in the value of its currency, a move that could deflect growing international criticism of its fiscal policies and defuse one of the greatest sources of tension between Beijing and Washington.

The statement, by China’s central bank, was the clearest sign yet that the country would allow its currency to appreciate gradually against the dollar. World leaders are due to meet next week in Canada for economic talks, and China’s currency policies appeared bound to be a source of conflict.

The United States has been leading a chorus of countries urging China to let its currency fluctuate. Many members of Congress believe China’s exchange rate policy gives it an unfair trade advantage, and a movement has been growing to take retaliatory trade action if China did not make an adjustment.

President Obama and the Treasury secretary, Timothy F. Geithner, immediately praised China’s action. “China’s decision to increase the flexibility of its exchange rate is a constructive step that can help safeguard the recovery and contribute to a more balanced global economy,” Mr. Obama said in a statement. The European Commission also said it supported the move.

But it remains to be seen whether the move will significantly rebalance the global trade picture. The People’s Bank of China was cautious in its statement about how far its currency, the renminbi, might fluctuate, warning explicitly that “the basis for large-scale appreciation of the RMB exchange rate does not exist.” Chinese officials said the renminbi would move in relation to an unspecified basket of currencies, not just the dollar. Experts said that depending on how the system was designed, China could avoid rapid fluctuations.

Mr. Geithner alluded to this in a statement, saying, “This is an important step, but the test will be how far and how fast they let the currency appreciate.”

The first sign of how much currency appreciation will be tolerated is likely to come Monday morning, when the People’s Bank of China will set the initial trading band for the value of the renminbi in Shanghai trading.

China has kept its currency value low since mid-2008 by pegging it to that of the dollar and not letting it fluctuate. Any fluctuation would have been higher, making China’s goods more expensive to foreign consumers and possibly slowing the country’s export-based economy.

In its statement Saturday, the central bank said that the Chinese economy was strengthening after the crisis and that it was “desirable to proceed further with reform” of the currency. Tellingly, the announcement was made simultaneously in Chinese and in English, a rare occurrence, and Chinese officials advised foreign governments beforehand that they were about to take a new stance on currency policy, according to an American official.

Though China said its action was based on the interests of its own economy, it has been under steady pressure from the United States in recent months, in addition to nations in Europe and Brazil and India. Mr. Obama had held repeated conversations with President Hu Jintao over the last year or so, the most recent of which was two weeks ago, and Mr. Geithner traveled to China for meetings last month.

China has handled currency policy gingerly, fearing that its people might see appreciation as a step taken in response to foreign pressure that might not be in the national interest.

For Mr. Obama, China’s currency has been a particularly sticky problem. He also has been leaning on Beijing to help contain the nuclear programs of Iran and North Korea, to act as one of the main engines for the world economy, and to moderate its efforts to gain exclusive access to raw materials around the world needed to fuel China’s huge growth.

But Mr. Obama’s leverage has been minimal, and in the end it may have been the threat of a Congressional bill’s protectionist actions against Chinese products that convinced Beijing that it had to begin to free its currency.

That threat had been gaining ground in Congress among lawmakers convinced that China was keeping its currency value artificially low to the detriment of the American economy.

“China’s currency practice has cost American jobs and hurt American ranchers, farmers and small businesses,” Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana and the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, said in a statement Saturday. “Today’s announcement is a welcome first step to help keep American businesses competitive and create more American jobs.”

Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, however, cautioned that unless China gave further detail to its plan, “we will have no choice but to move forward with our legislation.”

If the renminbi were to rise significantly, goods from the United States and other countries could eventually start displacing Chinese exports. That could help fuel economic growth in many of China’s trading partners, while braking growth in China, which has been expanding so fast that inflation is now accelerating.

Rising wages after recent labor unrest, combined with a stronger currency, may also make China a more attractive consumer market for international companies. But this could help Europe more than America, whose exports to China have been weak and concentrated in a few categories like aircraft, turbines and soybeans, while European companies have been more successful in selling high-end consumer goods there.

For China, a stronger renminbi will increase the buying power of its consumers and could make gasoline and other imported commodities seem less expensive. Faced with spreading labor unrest, particularly in the auto industry, the government has started to make an energetic effort to improve the standard of living of industrial workers.

But many economists inside and outside China have argued that currency appreciation is in China’s interest most of all. The country has been spending nearly one-tenth of its annual economic output to buy Treasury notes and bonds and other foreign securities while printing and selling renminbi, all in an effort to prevent the renminbi from rising against the dollar.

The renminbi has already risen with the dollar by 15 percent against the euro in the last two months. That has made Chinese officials nervous about the future competitiveness of Chinese sales to Europe, the biggest market for Chinese exports.

Cui Tiankai, a vice foreign minister, said on Friday that the value of the renminbi was not a subject for global discussion, the latest in a series of remarks by Chinese officials indicating strong nationalistic sensitivities about currency policy.

But people familiar with Chinese currency policy making have been saying for two months that the Chinese leadership agreed in early April to a change of direction. A devastating earthquake in western China in mid-April followed by worries about economic turmoil in Europe delayed action on the decision.

David E. Sanger and Sewell Chan contributed reporting from Washington.
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« Reply #13 on: 26 August 2010, 3:11:53 am »
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Its moving with the dollar.
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« Reply #14 on: 26 August 2010, 8:56:03 am »
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wazzziz,

Indeed it has...but it WILL break.  If you are a USD investor buying the Yuan is a no-brainer
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