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« Reply #285 on: 26 August 2010, 16:45:22 pm »
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Vulcan here is right. I mostly disagree with him and he has issues differentiating facts and opinions but at least he tries to back himself with something, wazzziz just dribbles. He is also rather obviously not from us from the way he posts and V clearly is.

100% with you

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« Reply #285 on: 26 August 2010, 16:45:22 pm »
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« Reply #286 on: 26 August 2010, 17:22:16 pm »
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Vulcan here is right. I mostly disagree with him and he has issues differentiating facts and opinions but at least he tries to back himself with something, wazzziz just dribbles. He is also rather obviously not from us from the way he posts and V clearly is.

Says the anonymous poster....'not from us', whats that supposed to mean.?

But going back to whats been said -here's how I see it:

Asia HAS decoupled and is doing its own thing.

Asia is on the up and the west is on the down.

The west is fast heading to be a barren wasteland of unemployed and creating a generation of people who will spend their lives on state handouts.  Thanks to years of mismanagement by fools we have seen the good years of the west pass us by. 

Asia on the other hand is well and truly on the up and booming.

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« Reply #287 on: 26 August 2010, 17:26:56 pm »
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us=USA (as in the United States of America)

Bud - how'd you get your PR so quickly?
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« Reply #288 on: 26 August 2010, 20:44:41 pm »
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us=USA (as in the United States of America)

Bud - how'd you get your PR so quickly?

As someone stated here before, I think that this guy's chances to have achieved PR without a job in the past year are zero and none.

Singapore has been extremely liberal granting PR in 2006-2008 when the economy was booming. I know a number of expats who got it within 6 weeks of lodging their application back then.

Since the GFC, it looks like the procedure has slown down considerably: there's at least a couple of expat friends, both with very senior positions and full expat packages who have lodged their application 10 months ago and still haven't got it. Now, this might change as the Gvt hinted that they need to start importing another 100,000 people to sustain growth, but with elections looming and this being a red hot issue, I doubt they will be quite as liberal as they were a couple of years ago.

So I think there is a 99.9999% of chance that wazzziz is not who he claims he is.

Now, one way for him to prove me wrong would be to explain under which status he has achieved PR, but I'm not holding my breath that he will...
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« Reply #289 on: 26 August 2010, 20:53:53 pm »
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Many agent see rent near to rise very sharp like 2006. So with my new condo I got 2 months ago (with the sitting tenant) I have already explain to the tenant in November I ask for 100% rental jump. Of couurse he is not happy and wine but I have to explain in Singaporte the market force push up the price and all agent see rent should rise 100% in 2011. I am sure can get many angmo or japan tenant to pay and rental yield to 12% in this year.

I thought drugs were illegal in Singapore, but someone must have managed to get a great quatity of hallucinogens in the country given the above babble.

Chances of rents jumping 100% next year like in 2006 = zero given that supply is not constrained by an en-bloc frenzy and the pipeline of projects completing TOP this year and next.

Chances of achieving 12% yield on any new property = zero. If you bought in 2006-2007 a property that just got TOP, you'd be lucky to get 3-4% yield these days. Just stating the obvious.
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« Reply #290 on: 26 August 2010, 21:47:14 pm »
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Many agent see rent near to rise very sharp like 2006. So with my new condo I got 2 months ago (with the sitting tenant) I have already explain to the tenant in November I ask for 100% rental jump. Of couurse he is not happy and wine but I have to explain in Singaporte the market force push up the price and all agent see rent should rise 100% in 2011. I am sure can get many angmo or japan tenant to pay and rental yield to 12% in this year.

I thought drugs were illegal in Singapore, but someone must have managed to get a great quatity of hallucinogens in the country given the above babble.

Chances of rents jumping 100% next year like in 2006 = zero given that supply is not constrained by an en-bloc frenzy and the pipeline of projects completing TOP this year and next.

Chances of achieving 12% yield on any new property = zero. If you bought in 2006-2007 a property that just got TOP, you'd be lucky to get 3-4% yield these days. Just stating the obvious.
I'm not a blind cheerleader for the property market but your last statement is patently untrue. I bought a condo in early 2007 that recently received its TOP. Based on my purchase price the gross annual rental yield I am getting is 7%. But if you are paying today's prices, then, yes, you'd be lucky to get 3-4% yield.
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« Reply #291 on: 26 August 2010, 22:30:15 pm »
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Many agent see rent near to rise very sharp like 2006. So with my new condo I got 2 months ago (with the sitting tenant) I have already explain to the tenant in November I ask for 100% rental jump. Of couurse he is not happy and wine but I have to explain in Singaporte the market force push up the price and all agent see rent should rise 100% in 2011. I am sure can get many angmo or japan tenant to pay and rental yield to 12% in this year.

I thought drugs were illegal in Singapore, but someone must have managed to get a great quatity of hallucinogens in the country given the above babble.

Chances of rents jumping 100% next year like in 2006 = zero given that supply is not constrained by an en-bloc frenzy and the pipeline of projects completing TOP this year and next.

Chances of achieving 12% yield on any new property = zero. If you bought in 2006-2007 a property that just got TOP, you'd be lucky to get 3-4% yield these days. Just stating the obvious.

If you cannot maths then go to the airpot. Of course I koow I am right. My condo SGD 2.1 millions (contract to buy sign last month and already complete) and I pay down SGD 800000 in cash not only mortgage like angmos. Now tenant he pay 4200 but next after November will get new tenant and will make pay SGD8000 I market very soon. If you dont no how to maths then better not stay Singapore. I get 96000 rent in 12 months! So this is 12% you check if you can do maths!
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« Reply #292 on: 26 August 2010, 22:51:30 pm »
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No Way PR,

"...Now, one way for him to prove me wrong would be to explain under which status he has achieved PR, but I'm not holding my breath that he will..."

I have to agree with you on this.  The reason I am harping on this is that Wazziz mentioned he 'worked for an insurance company' which is highly unlikely here without already being a PR - which itself is unlikely that he has attained in the short span of time he has been here.

In sum, Wazzziz appears not to be entirely honest in his claims.

What say you, Wazzziz? 
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« Reply #293 on: 26 August 2010, 23:25:24 pm »
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For once I agree with you Mr V.
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« Reply #294 on: 26 August 2010, 23:35:23 pm »
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I've said it before and I'll say it again.  Wazziz is the same guy who called himself agent xyz a year or two ago.  Same style of writing and same bullsh*t about having lunch in the Fullerton with his clients and knowing very influential people.  He's having a laugh and half of you are falling for it hook, line and sinker.
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« Reply #295 on: 27 August 2010, 0:57:56 am »
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Many agent see rent near to rise very sharp like 2006. So with my new condo I got 2 months ago (with the sitting tenant) I have already explain to the tenant in November I ask for 100% rental jump. Of couurse he is not happy and wine but I have to explain in Singaporte the market force push up the price and all agent see rent should rise 100% in 2011. I am sure can get many angmo or japan tenant to pay and rental yield to 12% in this year.


I thought drugs were illegal in Singapore, but someone must have managed to get a great quatity of hallucinogens in the country given the above babble.

Chances of rents jumping 100% next year like in 2006 = zero given that supply is not constrained by an en-bloc frenzy and the pipeline of projects completing TOP this year and next.

Chances of achieving 12% yield on any new property = zero. If you bought in 2006-2007 a property that just got TOP, you'd be lucky to get 3-4% yield these days. Just stating the obvious.

If you cannot maths then go to the airpot. Of course I koow I am right. My condo SGD 2.1 millions (contract to buy sign last month and already complete) and I pay down SGD 800000 in cash not only mortgage like angmos. Now tenant he pay 4200 but next after November will get new tenant and will make pay SGD8000 I market very soon. If you dont no how to maths then better not stay Singapore. I get 96000 rent in 12 months! So this is 12% you check if you can do maths!


Do the maths yourself, moron. And buy your own ticket to the airport while you're at it.

You still have to pay interests on the SGD 1.3 million you borrowed, which you have to deduct from the rents you cash in every month to have your net yield. And then I can guarantee you that your yield falls way below 10%.

That is assuming that your tenant is idiotic enough to accept 100% raise on his rent in this rental market, where supply is abundant. True, the rents have rebounded somewhat since their bottom in Q2 2009, but nowhere near this extent. If I was your tenant, I'd tell you to go fly kite, and with just a little bit of research on his side, this is exactly what he'll tell you.

Keep dreaming.

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« Reply #296 on: 27 August 2010, 11:16:38 am »
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Do the maths yourself, moron. And buy your own ticket to the airport while you're at it.

You still have to pay interests on the SGD 1.3 million you borrowed, which you have to deduct from the rents you cash in every month to have your net yield. And then I can guarantee you that your yield falls way below 10%.

That is assuming that your tenant is idiotic enough to accept 100% raise on his rent in this rental market, where supply is abundant. True, the rents have rebounded somewhat since their bottom in Q2 2009, but nowhere near this extent. If I was your tenant, I'd tell you to go fly kite, and with just a little bit of research on his side, this is exactly what he'll tell you.

Keep dreaming.



Also factor in property tax, maintenance +sinking fund contribution
+ he's only calculating rate on the 800k he put down rather than the 2.1 million dollar value. which of course includes the mortgage, interest & of course risk that the debt inherently adds to the situation.

at 2% interest rate on 1.3million @ 30 years that means a 4.8k / month mortgage payment.
conservancy say 300/ month, tax at least 100.
I would say he is getting negative yield if anything. I think he is praying that he can find some dumbass to double his rent to because any shock to the interest rate will finish him.



I have a rental property myself. I paid for it using 80+% down payment in cash, unlike this asian landlord who is too poor and has to use less that 50% (sorry to all the non idiot asians out there, I just couldn't resist using stupid stereotypes either - seems to be the vogue around here).
My yield all things included is about 3-4% - in line with what every agent I have talked to projects. I think this dufus is looking at his half filled glass as an overflowing bucket through rose tinted spectacles - (out of cliches now)

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« Reply #297 on: 27 August 2010, 15:22:50 pm »
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Many agent see rent near to rise very sharp like 2006. So with my new condo I got 2 months ago (with the sitting tenant) I have already explain to the tenant in November I ask for 100% rental jump. Of couurse he is not happy and wine but I have to explain in Singaporte the market force push up the price and all agent see rent should rise 100% in 2011. I am sure can get many angmo or japan tenant to pay and rental yield to 12% in this year.

I thought drugs were illegal in Singapore, but someone must have managed to get a great quatity of hallucinogens in the country given the above babble.

Chances of rents jumping 100% next year like in 2006 = zero given that supply is not constrained by an en-bloc frenzy and the pipeline of projects completing TOP this year and next.

Chances of achieving 12% yield on any new property = zero. If you bought in 2006-2007 a property that just got TOP, you'd be lucky to get 3-4% yield these days. Just stating the obvious.

If you cannot maths then go to the airpot. Of course I koow I am right. My condo SGD 2.1 millions (contract to buy sign last month and already complete) and I pay down SGD 800000 in cash not only mortgage like angmos. Now tenant he pay 4200 but next after November will get new tenant and will make pay SGD8000 I market very soon. If you dont no how to maths then better not stay Singapore. I get 96000 rent in 12 months! So this is 12% you check if you can do maths!


Haha, with a LL like you I would leave even if the rent remains the same. Cheesy

Anyway, there is no way you can get a 100% increase, with the soft market as it is and all the units sitting empty right now. But keep on dreaming.

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« Reply #298 on: 27 August 2010, 15:43:00 pm »
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hahahaha....even i leave the rent the same and let the tenant be remain is 6% yield! (in 12 month get 50400 dollar and divide by 800000 and get 6% you do the maths idiots). but for sure can get much more, now with casino and IR and YOG and many so many expat try to live here so of course rent go up motre and more. now Singapore is number one, not Western countrys.
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« Reply #299 on: 27 August 2010, 16:19:57 pm »
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hahahaha....even i leave the rent the same and let the tenant be remain is 6% yield! (in 12 month get 50400 dollar and divide by 800000 and get 6% you do the maths idiots). but for sure can get much more, now with casino and IR and YOG and many so many expat try to live here so of course rent go up motre and more. now Singapore is number one, not Western countrys.

You write so well. You are clearly a learned individual. And these people dare mock your accounting skills?
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