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Kubes.SG
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« Reply #90 on: 20 May 2010, 16:15:23 pm »

We can argue about the statistics forever.  But the real evidence and facts are clear, Singaporeans do not value the life of others, including their childrens',  as much as people in developed countries.  This is proven at a personal level when you see kiddies bouncing around cars unrestrained while in great danger.  It is also proven at a Govt/National level when the Police do not enforce the quite reasonable road safety laws that are in place to protect people and kiddies in cars.  

Clearly people choose to save say $200 rather than spend that money, and substantially increase their kiddies' chance of survival.

Also shocking to me is that V, having grown up in a country that places and enforces some value on human life, was able to switch so quickly to the reckless and careless defense of even his own childrens' lives once he settled into Singapore.  

I showed this thread to Mrs Kubes and she wept; and repeatedly asked herself between the sobs "Why don't they love their children?" knowing I had no answer.
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« Reply #91 on: 20 May 2010, 16:47:00 pm »

Also shocking to me is that V, having grown up in a country that places and enforces some value on human life, was able to switch so quickly to the reckless and careless defense of even his own childrens' lives once he settled into Singapore.  

This could be said about many expats here too. I''m beginning to notice many terrible changes in myself....
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« Reply #92 on: 20 May 2010, 17:26:06 pm »

Kubes,

This was brilliant...take a bow, man:

"...I showed this thread to Mrs Kubes and she wept; and repeatedly asked herself between the sobs "Why don't they love their children?" knowing I had no answer...."  Wink
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« Reply #93 on: 27 May 2010, 12:48:26 pm »

I showed this thread to Mrs Kubes and she wept; and repeatedly asked herself between the sobs "Why don't they love my husband?" knowing I had no answer.

Kubes - a small typo corrected....
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« Reply #94 on: 27 May 2010, 15:07:15 pm »

Just wondering if the stats here are manipulated. For example, in Japan, if a person dies more than 24 hours after being in a traffic accident it is not counted in the road death total. (I think this came up on the forum a while back but I'm none the wiser!)
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« Reply #95 on: 27 May 2010, 20:04:37 pm »

I showed this thread to Mrs Kubes and she wept; and repeatedly asked herself between the sobs "Why don't they love my husband?" knowing I had no answer.

Kubes - a small typo corrected....

Mrs Kubes knows very well why the people don't love me.
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« Reply #96 on: 28 May 2010, 10:08:18 am »

Britmum,

"...ust wondering if the stats here are manipulated. For example, in Japan, if a person dies more than 24 hours after being in a traffic accident it is not counted in the road death total. (I think this came up on the forum a while back but I'm none the wiser!)..."

It is not so much manipulation as different standards of measurement.  The WHO report mentions this issue.  It is a problem germane to ANY statistic, anywhere in the World.  In the end one can only do with one has.

Rest assured, I am not attempting to manipulate anything, just want to get at the facts. 

I have also not forgotten about this topic, just been busy.  I found a great source of data but it takes a while to sort through it all (will post that at some point soon).
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« Reply #97 on: 28 May 2010, 14:13:52 pm »

Just to clarify - when I said "here"  I meant in Singapore not by any posters on this thread!
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« Reply #98 on: 08 June 2010, 12:14:30 pm »

Here is an interesting point of reference - may be useful later:

New York Times
June 7, 2010
India Steadily Increases Its Lead in Road Fatalities
By HEATHER TIMMONS and HARI KUMAR
NEW DELHI — India lives in its villages, Gandhi said. But increasingly, the people of India are dying on its roads.

India overtook China to top the world in road fatalities in 2006 and has continued to pull steadily ahead, despite a heavily agrarian population, fewer people than China and far fewer cars than many Western countries.

While road deaths in many other big emerging markets have declined or stabilized in recent years, even as vehicle sales jumped, in India, fatalities are skyrocketing — up 40 percent in five years to more than 118,000 in 2008, the last figure available.

A lethal brew of poor road planning, inadequate law enforcement, a surge in trucks and cars, and a flood of untrained drivers have made India the world’s road death capital. As the country’s fast-growing economy and huge population raise its importance on the world stage, the rising toll is a reminder that the government still struggles to keep its more than a billion people safe.

In China, by contrast, which has undergone an auto boom of its own, official figures for road deaths have been falling for much of the past decade, to 73,500 in 2008, as new highways segregate cars from pedestrians, tractors and other slow-moving traffic, and the government cracks down on drunken driving and other violations.

Evidence of road accidents seems to be everywhere in urban India.

Highways and city intersections often glitter with smears of broken windshield and are scattered with unmatched shoes, shorn-off bicycle seats and bits of motorcycle helmet. Tales of rolled-over trucks and speeding buses are a newspaper staple, and it is rare to meet someone in urban India who has not lost a family member, friend or colleague on the road.

The dangerous state of the roads represents a “total failure on the part of the government of India,” said Rakesh Singh, whose 16-year-old son, Akshay, was killed last year by an out-of-control truck in Bijnor, in the state of Uttar Pradesh, as he walked along a highway to a wedding.

The truck crushed Akshay so completely that his father could identify his son only by his shirt. The truck also ran over a second man and drove away.

Reckless driving and the juxtaposition of pedestrians and fast-moving heavy vehicles is common. The expressway that runs southeast from Delhi to Greater Noida, a fast-growing satellite city, cuts through farmland interspersed with new industrial parks and shopping malls. Small settlements of huts piled with cow-dung patties fringe the road.

During a 40-minute ride on that highway, a tractor hauling gravel was seen driving the wrong way, a milk truck stopped in the road so its driver could urinate and motorists swerved to avoid a bicycle cart full of wooden tables in the fast lane. Drivers chatted on mobile phones as they steered stick-shift cars and wove across lanes. Side mirrors were often turned in or were nonexistent.

A cluster of women in saris holding small children waited anxiously for a gap in traffic so they could race across the highway. Opposite them, a group of young men in office attire waited to cross in the other direction.

The breakdown in road safety has many causes, experts say. Often, the police are too stretched to enforce existing traffic laws or take bribes to ignore them; heavy vehicles, pedestrians, bullock carts and bicycles share roadways; punishment for violators is lenient, delayed or nonexistent; and driver’s licenses are easy to get with a bribe.

Kamal Nath, India’s minister of road transport and highways, said in an interview that highway safety was a “priority” for the national government. “Road safety is one of the major issues” the ministry is addressing, he said. The ministry is reviewing the Motor Vehicles Act and, three years after a government-backed committee recommended that a national road safety board be established, it has introduced legislation to that effect in Parliament.

International safety experts say the Indian government has been slow to act. Bringing down road deaths “requires political commitment at the highest level,” said Dr. Etienne Krug, director of the department of violence and injury prevention at the World Health Organization. India’s government is “just waking up to the issue,” he said.

Mr. Nath, who was India’s commerce minister before moving to the Highway Ministry last year, has increased highway expansion plans and is raising $45 billion from private investors to extend India’s 3.3-million-kilometer, or 2-million-mile, road network. The expansion is an integral part of keeping the economy, now at about 9 percent growth a year, humming, Mr. Nath says.

Government planners warn that fatalities are unlikely to decline soon.

When highways are built, “there are always more accidents,” said Atul Kumar, chief general manager of road safety with the National Highways Authority of India, part of Mr. Nath’s ministry.

Mr. Kumar said that his agency had spoken with local residents before building and expanding roads near towns and villages but that it could not always satisfy them. “If we accept all their demands, we’d have an underpass every kilometer,” he said. The expansion has to be “viable for bidders,” he said, and “underpasses and flyovers are expensive.”

In the rest of the world, a rise in high-speed roads does not always have to mean a rise in deaths. In Brazil, for example, new, privatized highways have much lower rates of fatal accidents than other roads.

Private companies building and running new highways in India say that their hands are sometimes tied. From his office overlooking a 32-lane set of tollbooths, Manoj Aggarwal, chief executive of the road-building company Delhi-Gurgaon Super Connectivity, says he witnesses hundreds of traffic violations every day that he cannot stop.

“Look at this man in the middle of the road,” he said during an interview, pointing to a pedestrian slowly weaving his way through the traffic. “I can’t fine him. I can’t punish him.”

Only the police can ticket or fine speeders, or people who are on the roads but should not be. But, over-burdened and understaffed, the police are rarely available, Mr. Aggarwal said, even though he has offered to pay them extra to work on off-duty hours.

In 2008, 73 people were killed on just this 27-kilometer stretch of highway, earning it the nickname “Expressway to Death.” The death toll dropped as Mr. Aggarwal added safety features outside the government contract.

Shivani, a 15-year-old student, recently landed in St. Stephen’s Hospital in Old Delhi with a fractured right leg after just such a highway dash.

“I don’t know what happened,” she said. “I was trying to cross the road.” Her forehead and knuckles were blackened and scraped, and her eyes were glazed after a four-day coma.

She has to cross a busy highway during her one-kilometer walk to school. There are no crosswalks, no underpasses and no stoplights.

As cars increase, those who cannot afford them and continue to travel on foot, bicycle or rickshaw are more vulnerable, safety experts say. Dr. Mathew Varghese, the head of St. Stephen’s orthopedics department, said he saw hundreds of patients a year like Shivani. The government is building “economic growth on the dead bodies of the poor on these highways,” he said.

Frustrated Indians often take matters into their own hands, forming impromptu mobs to beat up offending drivers. “Road rage” incidents, where drivers step out of their cars and get into physical altercations, have become common. Some people have begun campaigns to curb unsafe driving.

“People don’t understand the value of life here,” said Manoj Gupta, a consultant from Chandigarh, whose wife was riding a motor scooter when she was crushed by a speeding bus two years ago. Helmet laws apply only to men, and she was not wearing one. The bus driver was out on bail in four or five days, Mr. Gupta said. Now Mr. Gupta stops reckless drivers to tell them about his wife and to ask them to drive more carefully.

Safety “needs to be an important part of the driving culture, and that is still lacking,” said Harman S. Sidhu, president of ArriveSafe, a road safety awareness group in Chandigarh. He started it after he was left paralyzed by a car accident in the Himalayas.

Last year during Raksha Bandhan, a festival celebrating the bond between brothers and sisters, ArriveSafe enlisted thousands of sisters to beg their brothers to drive carefully.

Mr. Singh, the father of Akshay, the boy killed by a truck in Bijnor, said he had spent days searching for the driver who ran over his son after the local police refused to help, finally taking the police in his own car to make the arrest. Megh Singh, the investigating police officer for the case, said in an interview that the police were eager to investigate but hampered because the station has only one jeep for its 18 to 20 inspectors.

The truck driver, now awaiting trial on charges of negligent death in Akshay’s case and murder in a second man’s case, has been released on bail. The truck, which appeared to be carrying an illegally heavy load, was returned to its owner without incurring any fees or fines.

Dozens of letters Mr. Singh wrote to local and national politicians asking them to investigate overloaded trucks in the area have not been answered.

“No one wants to be responsible,” he said. “They are all passing the buck.”
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« Reply #99 on: 31 March 2011, 21:31:57 pm »

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« Reply #100 on: 01 April 2011, 9:19:03 am »

I take my children in taxi's on a daily basis. I use a harness especially designed for cars. It amazes me that the majority of taxi drivers have never seen these before. For the small outlay of $250, you would think that more parents would value their childs safety over this.... It doesnt take a high impact accident to kill a child, it can be propelled even at 20kph through a window.

Somehow, even though in western countries there is a strict car seat saftey law, when expats come here they seem to think it safe to travel with infants on laps and children just sitting on the seat with the .... it wont happen to me approach..
Well i'm happy to say that through my use of the top (purchased from Mothers Works), now at least three others have done the same!
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« Reply #101 on: 12 April 2011, 23:24:36 pm »

Hi Saraval,

Could you please share the name of the harness you bought?  I'm looking for something like that.  Thanks.
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« Reply #102 on: 14 April 2011, 7:28:55 am »

Some expats do relax here with regards to this kind of thing - but I've noticed a difference in the expats whose children are born here and expats who come here with children and have been used to more strict safety expectations from their home countries. H&S is such a big thing at home, i don't think people realise how much of it becomes second nature and I've at times made a pain in the arse of myself by pointing out obvious H&S issues which would never be acceptable at home.
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« Reply #103 on: 23 April 2011, 19:33:20 pm »

Interesting,

Singapore's child mortality rate is lower than that of the USA, UK and Australia:

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=sh_dyn_mort&idim=country:SGP&dl=en&hl=en&q=singapore+child+deaths#ctype=l&strail=false&nselm=h&met_y=sh_dyn_mort&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=country&idim=country:SGP:AUS:GBR:USA&hl=en&dl=en
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« Reply #104 on: 13 September 2011, 9:48:24 am »

The primary things we need to look out for on the street are children and senior citizens. They are the most prone to accidents on the street. This is where footpaths and pedestrian crossings can save lives. We must teach them to use the pedestrian paths as much as possible in order to avoid injury or death in this demographic.

I found this website called SRSC.org.sg, it is the Singapore Road Safety Council. If you want more information on road safety, then you have to visit this website.
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