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« Reply #15 on: 02 September 2010, 18:17:21 pm »
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I always make sure the maids we have are HOT  Cheesy

And when the wife this away this happy mouse will play Wink
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« Reply #15 on: 02 September 2010, 18:17:21 pm »
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« Reply #16 on: 02 September 2010, 18:22:28 pm »
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Maids may not be allowed to swim and generally use the facilities.not really the point, the point is if your kid gets out of their depth and starts drowning can they jump in and save them. Even the nuttiest condo guard is not going to give them grief for saving a drowning kid.
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« Reply #17 on: 02 September 2010, 19:01:28 pm »
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I can watch my maid clean all day..........especially when my wife has gone back to the UK! Cheesy
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« Reply #18 on: 02 September 2010, 20:54:48 pm »
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In America you don't have maids but you employ illegal immigrants from Latin America to do the chores.  How many political careers have come unstuck for that reason?

Oh give me a break. How many people have a live in slave in the US like it is common here in Asia? Not a very good comparison, is it?
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« Reply #19 on: 02 September 2010, 21:50:31 pm »
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In America you don't have maids but you employ illegal immigrants from Latin America to do the chores.  How many political careers have come unstuck for that reason?

Oh give me a break. How many people have a live in slave in the US like it is common here in Asia? Not a very good comparison, is it?

Slaves and the USA in the same sentence - oh my

Although you do still get guys (Mexicans!) hanging around the carparks of places like Home Depot waiting for work - it's like back to the 1930s!
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« Reply #20 on: 03 September 2010, 8:12:29 am »
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I can't believe how many nasty answers OP gets. And I'm 100% sure they all come from tai tai's who employ a maid - who does not in Singapore? What's so bad about it. it's affordable for us and it's good for them, they have a job with a good salary and they can send the money back to their country, where they probably won't be able to make as much and to support their families. It's not about how lazy expat wives are. Many families with kids are here without relatives, especially at the beginning they cant' rely on friends and neighbours to help out if for example a kid or the mother gets sick. Such a relief to have another adult living with you, with our husbands frequently travelling. So please, stop being judgmental or envious or whatever...
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« Reply #21 on: 03 September 2010, 10:12:40 am »
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In America you don't have maids but you employ illegal immigrants from Latin America to do the chores.  How many political careers have come unstuck for that reason?

Oh give me a break. How many people have a live in slave in the US like it is common here in Asia? Not a very good comparison, is it?

Slaves and the USA in the same sentence - oh my

Although you do still get guys (Mexicans!) hanging around the carparks of places like Home Depot waiting for work - it's like back to the 1930s!



What a total nonsense you wrote. Doesn't make any sense.
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« Reply #22 on: 03 September 2010, 11:41:09 am »
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Even the nuttiest condo guard is not going to give them grief for saving a drowning kid.

There was a very sad incident at a condo my friend used to stay at. The child of a Japanese family had somehow managed to fall out of an upstairs window to his death.

The family placed some flowers at the spot where he fell and the mother was scolded by the security guard for 'littering' before he picked up the flowers and threw them away.
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« Reply #23 on: 03 September 2010, 12:46:53 pm »
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I am all for having a maid and the break it gives everyone but I am seriously against a maid taking a child swimming. It's great to have your maid clean up after you and cook etc. and do occasional babysitting but seriously -  a maids social life on the phone/ at the condo shop/ at the pool and at the playground is her top priority, not you and yours. Yes, mums talk round the pool etc. too but at the end of the day your kids are your responsibility. I think it is really unfair to expect a maid to take a child swimming and be responsible for them there.
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« Reply #24 on: 04 September 2010, 10:54:04 am »
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I have been in in Asia for 35 years

1.  What is the bottom line price for a maid?  
A. Salary = SG$350-$600/mo it depends on experience, country of origin, how long they have been with a family, and job tasks.  A very experienced maid from the Philippines who has been with a family for many years would be on the high end of the range.  A 'new-to-the-job' maid from Sri Lanka, Indonesia would be on the low end.  Average Philipino would be about $400-$500.  

B. Govt Tax = $265/mo

C. Medical Insurance & Bond = ~$250 for 24 month contract

D. Medical Checkup = ~$25-50 every 6 months highly depending on what clinic you take them to.  Clinics who serve a local clientele will be on the low side of this range

E. Food = Depends on you, some give a daily $ allowance and they cover their own food, others share whatever the family eats/leftovers.  We all eat the same food in our home.

F. Others = Depends on you, we give ours X'mas bonus (2 wks pay), if I need them for Sunday Overtime (3x the daily rate or $45). We give them a phone, and $20/mo for service, more for us to contact her anytime, but she can use the rest to call home.


2.  Is there REALLY a $5000 bond?  Who can afford that?  Who is able to put that up and not receive it back until they are done with their maid?

- Yes there really is a $5000 bond, but you do not need to pay it upfront.  The insurance per above guarantees it on your behalf.  


3.  Are you always responsible for a trip to their homeland?
- Yes, air tickets are quite cheap,  $250-400, cheapest if they buy it through the many Maid employment shops in Lucky Plaza/Orchard Rd.  We usually just cash in Freq Flier Points as expats can really rack them up when living here.


4.  Is it cheaper to go through an agency or do it yourself?  And do you have some suggestions or lists of agencies.  I only found one.  I've done both agency and myself.  If you are new expat, I would get a transfer maid (Q5), and get an agency to handle it for you.  

I've used 3 agencies.  A transfer maid would probably cost around $800 including the insurance listed above.  This beats going to the govt office twice, get your own insurance, doctors checkup, etc... not worth the trouble especially if you are in unfamiliar territory. Intermares are very transparent of their costs.

If you go with a maid on their roster, it will cost a little more, but the positive thing is they guarantee their maids and if things don't work out with the maid they will switch for free upto 3-5 times.

The benefit of a transfer is you have the opportunity of getting a reference from the previous family, they know their way around town.  Adjusting to a new family is only about minor preferences differences that you might have compared to the previous family.  



5.  Is a transfer maid the better way to go, in your opinion?

I would go with a transfer maid as they are generally better and less risky, but take time to talk to their previous employer, ask about skills, attitude, hard worker, personal/emotional problems.   If the employer takes the time to speak to you and sounds really caring about their maid those are good signs.  


6.  A thread mentioned another thread where there was a list of questions to ask a potential hire.  I was not able to find the list. can someone direct me?

- I haven't seen the list, but profiling helps give an indication beyond what is said in an interview.  I prefer Staunch Catholics (high moral values), Never from Manila (who tend to have attitude and are a little too street smart, farming backgrounds know what hard work is and tend to be thankful of what they have), with kids in Phil (stability as they need to support them), Oldest in their Family (they have been taking care of others for a long time).


7. WHat happens if you hire a maid, pay all the fees, the doctor check up, etc, and she's not a good fit?

Per #4 & #5 above, if you get them from an agency it's easy to switch at no cost.  If you get a transfer you are stuck with them, so you need to be very thorough in your reference check, interview, and outlining of your expectations like work hours, tasks, etc...

Keep in mind they are not slaves and its partly your job to help them get to a healthy employer/employee relationship.  I had one western neighbor who went through 5 maids, and finally the government disallowed to to have any more as it was determined it was not the fault of the maids.


8.  I've never had a live in maid, so can you tell me what you can expect them to do?  Do you give them lists, require a set amount, etc.  What exactly do you do?

Our maid is in charge of running our household of 2 working adults and 2 active teenagers plus one huge dog in a 5000 sqft house.  They start their day at 6AM and ends about 9PM and they have near total management of the household, its a lot of work.   For the first few months we gave them a calendar and put each task on it (calling the Gardener, Aircon, Pest control), when to make dinners, etc. But as they got more comfortable, we did away with the lists as they found 'their groove'.  You should expect the first month to be the time to spend more time with them doing the shopping, laundry, cooking, and get a feel for their capabilites, teaching them how you prefer things, and them getting used to you.  Be nurturing, everyone wants to do a good job but sometimes they might not be clear on expectations, afraid to ask or tell you something.  Keep in mind that while most have a good proficiency of English, its their second language, and what you say in not always the same as what they hear, and visa-versa.  Something as simple as 'cleaning the room' is open to interpretation: Making the bed or washing the sheets, bathroom too?  



9.  If I dont need them for child care, but do have children, will that make it harder to find one?

It would be easier to find someone as its less work, but you should be realistic, most expats come with that expectation as that's the environment you come from and the motherly thing to think.  Being realistic, the adults will have more active lifestyles outside of home while their are here; work functions, days out with friends, etc...  Don't delude the maid into thinking they wont have to handle the kids.   You want someone going into the the job knowing it will be hard work, and if it isn't no one is worse off.

From my own experience, take the time to find the right one and work with them to get to a mutually satisfying medium, and treat them as a trusted employee IF they have earned it.  Our first maid 35 years ago when I was a child is still in touch with our whole family and living a happy life in the US.  It can be a rewarding experience.  
  

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« Reply #25 on: 06 September 2010, 12:22:45 pm »
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Aside from the logistics and costs you have to factor in potentially having another high maintenance/ emotional person in your house. For example my maid, whilst she is good at her duties is a bit of an emotional drain. She seems to think I am there to mother HER, even though she is 8 years older than me. I have 2 small boys under 4 who are very physical and have very big opinions for their small stature and by the end of the day I am pretty much physically and emotionally drained and I don't have a lot of energy left for her dramas. She tells me she is unhappy because I don't talk to her, don't treat her as part of the family and don't every take her out when we go out for meals/ the zoo or out and about with my boys. There's always some major drama/ gossip going on and basically she needs to feel loved all round. She's got a right gob on her at the moment but you know what, my son is at school, my toddler is asleep and I want a bit of peace with a cup of tea. She's hovering and wants to chat but I of course am attending to important correspondence.

Yes, I could get off my fat lazy butt and do it myself, which for the record I will be doing in a few months when her contract is up. NEVER AGAIN!!!
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« Reply #26 on: 06 September 2010, 14:05:58 pm »
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I just posted this on an other board here but I can see now that it suits here better:

I can see the need of a maid when the children are small (or if both parents are working).  It is nice to have an other adult around, if the spouse is travelling a lot and since most of us don't have families close by to help. 

However, I always wondered what so many mums with older (school age) children do with all the extra time left when the maid is taking care of all of the house work? 

My 2 children were born here, husband always travelled heavily, no family around and no maid.  My children are now bigger (9 and 11), so they have been at school for many years, husband still travels around 120 days per year, still no maid, I've always taken care of the housework myself, I also started part-time studies some years ago, I do an hour of exercise every day, have lunches with friends etc. and I still feel that I have extra time for e.g. hanging in the net.
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« Reply #27 on: 06 September 2010, 14:32:10 pm »
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I just posted this on an other board here but I can see now that it suits here better:

I can see the need of a maid when the children are small (or if both parents are working).  It is nice to have an other adult around, if the spouse is travelling a lot and since most of us don't have families close by to help. 

However, I always wondered what so many mums with older (school age) children do with all the extra time left when the maid is taking care of all of the house work? 

My 2 children were born here, husband always travelled heavily, no family around and no maid.  My children are now bigger (9 and 11), so they have been at school for many years, husband still travels around 120 days per year, still no maid, I've always taken care of the housework myself, I also started part-time studies some years ago, I do an hour of exercise every day, have lunches with friends etc. and I still feel that I have extra time for e.g. hanging in the net.

It's the ready access to babysitting that makes me keep a full time maid now that my kids are in school all day. It's difficult to find babysitters if you don't have a full time maid and if you are lucky enough to find a few, you have to plan every evening out well in advance to be sure you will have a sitter. Once you've had a live in and haven't had to worry about planning to that degree, it's hard to let go of.
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« Reply #28 on: 07 September 2010, 3:47:54 am »
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Longtimeexpat....THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU.  

Well, I can tell you, I have five children (still at home):  13, 11, 4, 2, 7 months.  

And we homeschool.  I have no spare time.

When we get a maid I will be freed up to actually do things...normal things, you know like take a bath and brush my teeth.  Or, gasp, read a book or scrapbook.  HUH. How about that?  LOL.

Seriously though.  If we have the opportunity to give me a break from working so hard ALL DAY and night, why not?  I dont see a problem.

Thanks for the heads up on emotional drain.  I want DOWN time.  I will have to make that clear when I interview.  

Does anyone else have tips for me as far as what to ask or say to get the person who would be a great fit for us.

THIS thread has been the most informative maid thread I have read...and I've been reading on here for over 5 months, or so, and read back through so many threads.

Thanks to all who have helped.
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« Reply #29 on: 07 September 2010, 12:54:42 pm »
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Don't be too worried...a lot of local people say its pot luck picking a maid. You can ask the cleverest questions at interview and still end up with someone whose not a good fit. My best maid ever was very shy at interview and certainly didn't stand out as a winner. The one who interviewed best on another occasion turned out to be high maintenance emotionally and clashed alot with my kids.

Just check everything they tell you at interview against previous employer's version of events. Its essential to find someone honest who understands properly what the truth is. This is especially so around kids. I'm not just talking about money but about everyday stuff, like who broke something, who forgot to do something, who doesn't understand what you wanted them to do but decided it was better to guess than ask. I find a very direct but calm and reasonable stance is the best way to avoid later conflict.

A previous poster mentions her maid wants to use her as a sounding board. Well I too have had this in the past. It probably arose because I too confided too much in them at some time. Later I learnt not to do this, friends are for that, not employees. A simple explanation of the fact this is your time and ask them to respect it will set things off to a good start. However most maids know the ropes and do not expect to use you as an emotional sounding board. They too like their own boundaries, friends, food styles...

If it doesn't work out move on...just make sure you've used an agency that allows you to do that and is able to offer a good selection of replacements.

Remember you can always get more friendly, generous etc later when you are sure of them, but if you start too much that way a withdrawal of friendliness and generosity will be seen as meanness and lead to a deterioration in the relationship.

Those who ask why we need a maid...well of course they are not essential. But for me this is one of the luxuries which persuaded me to come here when my husband was offered the job. Its a chance to really concentrate on the arts projects that I have had to lay aside since having kids. A chance to have it all, I suppose, i.e. time with the kids, properly home-cooked food, my own career and a tidy house....if others can achieve all that on their own, congratulations! It was very tough for me in the UK - here in this heat, impossible.

Oh yeah - and the babysitting is very tough with no family about, especially at short notice when you have to take one kid to hospital while the other is asleep, or for short engagements like parent-teacher conferences.
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