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Some time back, there was a thread (or some threads) on how crime statistics in Singapore were manipulated and that serious crimes (specifically murders) were under-reported. Kubes et al claimed that the murder rate in Singapore is very high, but fudged. Well, here are the murders by numbers, for what they are worth. Kubes, Australia made it to World Top 50 ranking. Wow, good job Australia - way to go. Now, where the hell is Singapore - can't even make it into the list. What gives? http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capitaRank Countries Amount
# 1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people
# 2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people
# 3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people
# 4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people
# 5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people
# 6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people
# 7 Estonia: 0.107277 per 1,000 people
# 8 Latvia: 0.10393 per 1,000 people
# 9 Lithuania: 0.102863 per 1,000 people
# 10 Belarus: 0.0983495 per 1,000 people
# 11 Ukraine: 0.094006 per 1,000 people
# 12 Papua New Guinea: 0.0838593 per 1,000 people
# 13 Kyrgyzstan: 0.0802565 per 1,000 people
# 14 Thailand: 0.0800798 per 1,000 people
# 15 Moldova: 0.0781145 per 1,000 people
# 16 Zimbabwe: 0.0749938 per 1,000 people
# 17 Seychelles: 0.0739025 per 1,000 people
# 18 Zambia: 0.070769 per 1,000 people
# 19 Costa Rica: 0.061006 per 1,000 people
# 20 Poland: 0.0562789 per 1,000 people
# 21 Georgia: 0.0511011 per 1,000 people
# 22 Uruguay: 0.045082 per 1,000 people
# 23 Bulgaria: 0.0445638 per 1,000 people
# 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
# 25 Armenia: 0.0425746 per 1,000 people
# 26 India: 0.0344083 per 1,000 people
# 27 Yemen: 0.0336276 per 1,000 people
# 28 Dominica: 0.0289733 per 1,000 people
# 29 Azerbaijan: 0.0285642 per 1,000 people
# 30 Finland: 0.0283362 per 1,000 people
# 31 Slovakia: 0.0263303 per 1,000 people
# 32 Romania: 0.0250784 per 1,000 people
# 33 Portugal: 0.0233769 per 1,000 people
# 34 Malaysia: 0.0230034 per 1,000 people
# 35 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0229829 per 1,000 people
# 36 Mauritius: 0.021121 per 1,000 people
# 37 Hungary: 0.0204857 per 1,000 people
# 38 Korea, South: 0.0196336 per 1,000 people
# 39 Slovenia: 0.0179015 per 1,000 people
# 40 France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people
# 41 Czech Republic: 0.0169905 per 1,000 people
# 42 Iceland: 0.0168499 per 1,000 people
# 43 Australia: 0.0150324 per 1,000 people
# 44 Canada: 0.0149063 per 1,000 people
# 45 Chile: 0.014705 per 1,000 people
# 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people
# 47 Italy: 0.0128393 per 1,000 people
# 48 Spain: 0.0122456 per 1,000 people
# 49 Germany: 0.0116461 per 1,000 people
# 50 Tunisia: 0.0112159 per 1,000 people
# 51 Netherlands: 0.0111538 per 1,000 people
# 52 New Zealand: 0.0111524 per 1,000 people
# 53 Denmark: 0.0106775 per 1,000 people
# 54 Norway: 0.0106684 per 1,000 people
# 55 Ireland: 0.00946215 per 1,000 people
# 56 Switzerland: 0.00921351 per 1,000 people
# 57 Indonesia: 0.00910842 per 1,000 people
# 58 Greece: 0.0075928 per 1,000 people
# 59 Hong Kong: 0.00550804 per 1,000 people
# 60 Japan: 0.00499933 per 1,000 people
# 61 Saudi Arabia: 0.00397456 per 1,000 people
# 62 Qatar: 0.00115868 per 1,000 people |
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« on: 17 September 2010, 13:50:53 pm » |
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TheWrathOfGrapes
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« Reply #1 on: 17 September 2010, 14:03:32 pm » |
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Ah ha, there you are - Singapore ranked poorly - way at the bottom of the list: Average for Australia for the period was 1.38 per 100,000 Average for Singapore for the period was 0.54 per 100,000 Australia out-gunned Singapore by 155% - good job Kubes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homicide_rateCountry↓ Sources 2000↓ 2001↓ 2002↓ 2003↓ 2004↓ 2005↓ 2006↓ 2007↓ 2008↓ 2009↓ Most
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El Salvador [6][7][8][9] 37 35 31 33 41 55 55 49 52 71 71
Honduras [10][11][12][13] 50 54 56 34 32 35 43 50 58 67 67
Jamaica [14][15] 34 44 40 36 54 58 49 58 58 58
Guatemala [8][9][16] 26 25 31 35 36 42 45 45 49 52 52
Venezuela [17][18][19] 33 32 38 44 37 37 45 48 52 49 49
South Africa [20][21] 50 48 48 43 40 40 41 39 37 37
Colombia [22][23][24][25][26] 63 65 66 53 44 39 40 39 36 35 35
Belize [27][28] 16.3 24.9 33.1 24.9 28.7 30.0 33.0 30.8 33.4 33.4
Brazil [29][30][31] 26.7 27.8 28.4 28.9 27.4 26.6 25.7 25.2 25.2
Dominican Republic [32] 13.09 12.49 14.51 18.73 25.25 26.41 23.56 23.57
Ecuador [33][34][35] 15.07 18.33 18.07 16.24 16.90 19 19
Puerto Rico [36][37][38][39][40][41][42] 18.2 19.4 20.1 42.0 20.4 19.6 18.8 18.8
Russia [43][44] 28 30 31 29 27 25 20 17.9 16.5 14.9 14.9
Mexico [45][46][47][48] 14.11 13.94 13.04 10 11 11 11 10 12 14 14
Swaziland [34][45] 88.61 13.05 13.63 13.63
Panama [49][46] 10.1 10.56 9.56 10.8 9.7 11.2 11.3 12.9 12.9
Paraguay [33][45] 12.05 15.02 12.33 12.33
Madagascar [50] 12 12
Nicaragua [51][52] 9 10 11 12 11 12 12 12
Mongolia [33][34] 13.51 12.81 12.01 11.94 11.94
Kazakhstan [33] 12.1 11.5 11.5
Suriname [34] 15.10 10.30 10.30
Papua New Guinea [45] 9.06 9.06
Kyrgyzstan [33][34][45] 8.40 8.15 8.01 9.44 8.48 8.48
Zimbabwe [34][45] 7.24 7.99 8.44 8.44
Lithuania [33][34][45][46] 10.01 10.14 8.45 9.96 9.38 10.77 8.13 8.13
Thailand [33][45] 8.47 8.16 7.92 7.92
Zambia [45] 7.89 7.89
Costa Rica [34][46][53] 6.34 6.64 6.44 6.99 6.23 7.81 7.68 7.68
Belarus [33][34][45][46] 10.13 9.72 9.96 8.91 8.31 8.53 7.53 7.53
Barbados [45] 7.49 7.49
Seychelles [45] 7.39 7.39
Uganda [34] 7.95 7.37 7.37
Georgia [33][34][45] 4.76 6.62 6.22 9.01 7.29 7.29
Estonia [54][55] 10.42 10.02 10.43 13.86 9.40 11.58 8.85 8.19 7.76 7.09 7.09
Ukraine [34][45][56] 8.93 8.51 7.42 7.04 7.04
Turkey (excluding attempts) [54] 9.96 8.60 8.26 7.61 7.05 6.94 6.94
Pakistan [45][57] 6.86
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Sri Lanka [34] 6.42 6.69 6.69
Namibia [46] 6.33 6.35 6.35
Kenya [33] 6.50 5.72 5.72
Albania [46] 6.64 5.68 5.68
Peru [34][46] 4.91 4.25 4.85 5.54 5.54
United States [58] 5.5 5.6 5.6 5.7 5.5 5.6 5.7 5.6 5.4 5.0 5.0
Argentina [45][46][59] 7.17 8.43 9.47 7.9 6.3 5.8 5.27 5.27
Latvia (including attempts) [60] 9.19 9.00 8.76 9.44 8.58 5.51 6.45 5.13 5.24 4.82 4.82
Moldova [33][34][45][46] 8.13 8.36 7.99 7.94 6.71 5.83 4.80 4.80
Uruguay [34][45][46] 4.61 6.31 6.46 5.30 5.64 4.3 4.3
Montenegro [33] 3.62 4.16 4.16
Côte d'Ivoire [45] 4.07 4.07
Mauritius [34][45] 2.19 2.95 2.51 2.98 4.00 4.00
Yemen [45] 3.98 3.98
Palestine [33][34] 2.70 4.04 3.85 3.85
Philippines [33][34][45][46] 7.59 7.47 8.20 4.97 4.31 3.83 3.82 3.82
Iran [34] 2.64 2.93 2.93
Bolivia [46] 3.74 2.82 2.82
India [33] 2.88 2.82 2.82
Dominica [45] 2.74 2.74
Bangladesh [33] 2.24 2.64 2.64
Bulgaria (excluding attempts) [34][45][54] 4.07 3.90 3.25 3.17 3.09 2.54 2.54
Romania (excluding attempts) [34][54][46] 2.50 2.66 2.52 2.52 2.37 2.09 2.76 2.51 2.51
Armenia [33][34][45] 3.34 2.50 2.48 1.82 2.49 2.49
Azerbaijan [34][45][46] 2.81 2.69 2.59 2.20 2.41 2.41
China [61] 2.36 2.36
Malaysia [33][45] 2.36 1.94 2.31 2.31
South Korea [33][34][45] 2.02 2.19 2.18 2.18
Finland (excluding attempts) [34][45][46][56] 2.86 3.01 2.54 1.97 2.75 2.17 2.17
Macedonia (excluding attempts) [33][54] 2.52 2.71 2.94 3.46 2.41 2.16 2.01 2.01
New Zealand [45][46][56] 1.17 1.16 1.29 2.00 2.00
Slovakia (excluding attempts) [54] 2.65 2.40 2.38 2.71 2.27 1.97 1.97
Israel [34][62] 3.01 2.62 2.68 1.87 1.87
Bosnia and Herzegovina [33] 1.79 1.86 1.86
Nepal [33][46] 2.56 3.42 2.08 1.84 1.84
Canada [34][45][46][63][64]
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1.59 1.67 1.67 1.74 1.95 2.05 1.86 1.80 1.83 1.83
Jordan [33] 1.21 1.75 1.75
Cyprus (excluding attempts) [54][33][34][46] 1.16 1.00 0.43 2.10 2.05 2.14 1.66 1.66
Croatia (excluding attempts) [33][34][46][54] 2.47 1.86 1.79 1.53 1.83 1.49 1.62 1.62
Chile [34][45][66] 1.9 1.9 1.8 1.7 1.9 1.9 1.9 1.6 1.6
France (excluding attempts) [34][45][56][54] 1.79 1.76 1.87 1.64 1.64 1.60 1.60
Bermuda [34] 3.14 1.56 1.56
Belgium (excluding attempts) [54] 2.00 2.35 2.23 1.83 2.05 1.65 1.81 1.85 1.49 1.49
United Kingdom (excluding attempts) [54] 1.70 1.78 2.06 1.76 1.75 1.49 1.49
Serbia [33] 1.44 1.46 1.46
Hungary (excluding attempts) [34][45][46][56] 2.05 2.49 2.00 2.33 2.09 1.64 1.47 1.38 1.38
Czech Republic (excluding attempts) [33][34][45][46][54] 1.69 1.45 1.36 1.56 1.34 1.02 1.33 1.33
Poland (excluding attempts) [33][34][54][46] 2.21 2.01 1.87 1.72 1.64 1.45 1.28 1.28
Maldives [34][46] 2.50 2.79 1.28 1.28
Portugal (excluding attempts) [54] 1.14 1.02 1.15 1.43 1.37 1.26 1.26
Tunisia [45][46] 1.18 1.26 1.22 1.22
Australia [34][45][56][67][34][45][68] 1.57 1.53 1.28 1.45 1.42 1.2 1.2 1.2
Spain (excluding attempts) [54][69] 1.38 1.43 1.38 1.41 1.23 1.20 1.20 1.20
Syria [34] 1.04 1.14 1.14
Ireland (excluding attempts) [54][70] 1.48 1.51 1.51 1.31 1.11 1.46 1.59 1.84 1.01 1.12 1.12
Senegal [71][72] 0.33 1.1 1.1
Italy (excluding attempts) [33][34][45][46] 1.29 1.23 1.12 1.24 1.23 1.04 1.06 1.06
Indonesia [45] 1.05 1.05
Denmark (excluding attempts) [54][73] 1.48 1.16 1.08 1.52 1.11 1.29 0.84 0.97 1.01 1.01
Switzerland (excluding attempts) [54] 0.96 1.19 1.19 1.00 1.07 1.01 1.01
Slovenia (excluding attempts) [54] 1.81 0.75 1.45 1.05 1.45 1.00 1.00
Malta (excluding attempts) [54] 1.05 1.28 1.27 0.00 1.75 0.99 0.99
Kuwait [46] 1.71 0.99 0.99
Greece (excluding attempts) [54][33][45] 1.45 1.27 0.98 1.11 0.99 1.14 0.98 0.98
Bahrain [33][34] 0.43 0.98 0.55 0.95 0.95
Sweden (excluding attempts) [54] 1.00 0.95 1.04 0.91 1.17 0.92 0.92
United Arab Emirates [34] 1.12 0.63 1.36 0.92 0.92
Saudi Arabia [45][46] 0.51 0.87 0.92 0.92
Netherlands (excluding attempts) [74] 1.13 1.26 1.21 1.25 1.17 1.07 0.78 0.87 0.91 0.92 0.92
Luxembourg (excluding attempts) [54] 0.92 1.37 0.90 0.70 0.44 0.87 0.87
Germany (excluding attempts) [33][34][45][46][75] 1.25 1.14 1.17 1.06 1.06 1.06 0.98 0.92 0.88 0.86 0.86
Qatar [34][45] 0.17 0.55 0.77 0.77
Austria (excluding attempts) [33][54] 1.02 0.87 0.81 0.62 0.72 0.65 0.73 0.73
Norway (excluding attempts) [33][54] 1.07 0.82 1.02 1.12 0.78 0.71 0.72 0.72
Algeria [33][34] 2.04 1.39 0.62 0.64 0.64
Oman [46] 0.52 0.59 0.59
Lebanon [33] 2.34 0.57 0.57
Morocco [33][34][46] 0.44 0.48 0.50 0.47 0.52 0.53 0.53
Brunei [33][34] 0.56 1.37 0.00 0.50 0.50
Hong Kong [34][45][56] 0.56 0.73 0.63 0.49 0.49
Japan [33][45][56] 0.50 0.53 0.59 0.64 0.44 0.44
Singapore [33][34][45][56] 0.92 0.57 0.49 0.48 0.39 0.38 0.38
Iceland (excluding attempts) [54] 1.79 0.35 1.40 0.00 1.03 1.02 0.31 0.63 0.31 0.31
Liechtenstein (excluding attempts) [54] 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.92 0.00 0.00 |
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« Reply #2 on: 18 September 2010, 2:49:39 am » |
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Grapes: I think the red haze is interfering with your memory. The misleading statistics that SG uses to it's benefit that I highlighted was in regard to road fatality rates, which are actually about 7-8 times the average of the developed world.
Unless the red wine is affecting my memory, I am pretty sure I did not comment on SG's non-Govt sponsored murder rates vs other countries. Go ahead and find my posts please. Interestingly if you add in the 80 or so the official Govt killings per year, what does the SG murder rate look like and rank like? Murder is murder right?
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The object in life is not to be on the side of the Majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the Insane.
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« Reply #3 on: 18 September 2010, 3:00:23 am » |
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Just noticed you provided the ratios for SG and AU. Thanks. So with these data points: 5 million population (very generous as it has grown a lot during that period) and an average of 80 official murders per annum gives us a murder rate of: 2.14 for Singapore. With the actual population data the ratio would be higher, but you get the picture. |
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« Reply #4 on: 18 September 2010, 11:50:13 am » |
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Grapes: I think the red haze is interfering with your memory. The misleading statistics that SG uses to it's benefit that I highlighted was in regard to road fatality rates, which are actually about 7-8 times the average of the developed world.
Unless the red wine is affecting my memory, I am pretty sure I did not comment on SG's non-Govt sponsored murder rates vs other countries. Go ahead and find my posts please. Interestingly if you add in the 80 or so the official Govt killings per year, what does the SG murder rate look like and rank like? Murder is murder right?
The stats I could find on road fatalities show Singapore at around 4.8 per 100,000 which rank it near Sweden and Switzerland as one of the safest countries in the world. Qatar scores at 23.7 and France at 6.9, for example. Perhaps it isn't Grape's memory that is at fault but a faulty claim about fatalities? |
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« Reply #5 on: 18 September 2010, 17:13:52 pm » |
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Grapes: I think the red haze is interfering with your memory. The misleading statistics that SG uses to it's benefit that I highlighted was in regard to road fatality rates, which are actually about 7-8 times the average of the developed world.
Unless the red wine is affecting my memory, I am pretty sure I did not comment on SG's non-Govt sponsored murder rates vs other countries. Go ahead and find my posts please. Interestingly if you add in the 80 or so the official Govt killings per year, what does the SG murder rate look like and rank like? Murder is murder right?
The stats I could find on road fatalities show Singapore at around 4.8 per 100,000 which rank it near Sweden and Switzerland as one of the safest countries in the world. Qatar scores at 23.7 and France at 6.9, for example. Perhaps it isn't Grape's memory that is at fault but a faulty claim about fatalities? The problem is that it is isn't very straight forward to compare country with country in this case. In general people drive car much more in other countries due to well, being bigger. A more fair comparison would be fatalities per distance traveled. |
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« Reply #6 on: 18 September 2010, 22:12:36 pm » |
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The problem is that it is isn't very straight forward to compare country with country in this case. In general people drive car much more in other countries due to well, being bigger. A more fair comparison would be fatalities per distance traveled.
A good point - a mate in Aus last week drove 1100 km round trip in a day to see a client. I would not do that distance in two months in Singapore. The other telling part of this is that many countries listed here have excluded attempts. This would put both Aus and Sing further down the list. |
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« Reply #7 on: 18 September 2010, 23:51:14 pm » |
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Unless the red wine is affecting my memory - yes, the wrath of grapes has this effect, and then tomorrow you will get a hangover.
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« Reply #8 on: 19 September 2010, 14:12:52 pm » |
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Singapore seems a safe place. Well, I hope so, it's the size of my county in the US and has about 5000 more police on the job! But it's also due to a generally law abiding population, too.
However, the fact that this list omits Brazil does bring its veracity into question, does it not? I also don't see China anywhere.
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« Reply #9 on: 19 September 2010, 17:05:22 pm » |
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Grapes: I think the red haze is interfering with your memory. The misleading statistics that SG uses to it's benefit that I highlighted was in regard to road fatality rates, which are actually about 7-8 times the average of the developed world.
Unless the red wine is affecting my memory, I am pretty sure I did not comment on SG's non-Govt sponsored murder rates vs other countries. Go ahead and find my posts please. Interestingly if you add in the 80 or so the official Govt killings per year, what does the SG murder rate look like and rank like? Murder is murder right?
The stats I could find on road fatalities show Singapore at around 4.8 per 100,000 which rank it near Sweden and Switzerland as one of the safest countries in the world. Qatar scores at 23.7 and France at 6.9, for example. Perhaps it isn't Grape's memory that is at fault but a faulty claim about fatalities? The problem is that it is isn't very straight forward to compare country with country in this case. In general people drive car much more in other countries due to well, being bigger. A more fair comparison would be fatalities per distance traveled. You make a claim not supported by any data. Then you are shown the data that contradicts your statement. And now you want to suggest the data is not valid. But, basically, you have no data to support your original claim. You may be correct in that improved data MAY report a different result but it also MAY NOT. There seems to be no evidence available to suggest that Singapore roads or driving in Singapore is "unsafe" compared to other countries. And there is reason to believe it is, in fact, safer than most. The road here are in good condition and the road markings are reasonably clear. There is no ice, falling rock, etc to provide additional hazards Drivers must pass an exam to be issued a license These factors are not at work in many other countries in the region and around the world. While I'd happy complain about the general lack of courtesy the only concern I have here about safety is for the motorcyclists. I see no reason to make spurious claims without supporting data. |
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« Reply #10 on: 19 September 2010, 19:04:50 pm » |
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Your claim of 4.5 fatalities of 100,000 where didn't even specify what the unit of the '100,000' was and didn't even bother telling the source was of course much better. Here's some facts: Total km road in Singapore is 3,356 km
Total km road in Sweden is 572,900 km
Sweden has an area of around 450,000 km2
Singapore has an area of 710 km2
Sweden has a pop density of 20/km2
Singapore has 7022/km2
Sweden has 4.4 million cars, Singapore has not 450,000
Now do you still think that based on your number that both countries are about as safe in traffic? sources https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sw.htmlhttps://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sn.html |
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« Reply #11 on: 20 September 2010, 11:47:09 am » |
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Accidents total Fatalities Injuries
/no. of vehicles /no. of vehicles /no. of vehicles
Singapore 1.24% 0.03% 1.22%
Sweden 0.49% 0.01% 0.48%
Indonesia 0.13% 0.03% 0.10%
USA 1.33% 0.02% 1.31%
Didn't we already have this discussion? By the way, did you know that about 60 taxis get into accidents every day here?
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