marrying a / to a muslim

[Dr. Phil]

Okay, so few honest enough to answer a simple question.

Perhaps because Vulcani answered like a decent and sensible parent/human being, interest was lost?

So let me ask one more question and however difficult, this time please answer simply, no qualifications or explanations.

If you had to choose between your God and someone else's child, who would you choose?

[so what]

so what,

I am indeed a Christian.  God gave his son (and all of us as well) the gift of free will, which his son exercised accordingly....There was never was a choice for God to make between his son and humanity.

V,

I think you make a wrong conclusion, its far more complicated.

Yes, Jesus had free will, but on the other hand He could not sin.
People have free will, but then can choose to do evil.

So, God sent His only son to eart to die for mankind.
That was God's will, and Jesus could not disobey God's will.

It's the same as with the earlier examples brought up:
- Abraham was asked to sacrifice Isaac. He choose to do so, but before Abraham actually killed his son, God stopped him.
- Isaac sent Ismael and his mother into the desert to most likely die of thirst. That was God's will, but God saved them.
- Job had his whole family killed, but it was not God who killed them.

So now, there we have Jesus with the free will to disobey God.
Lets say Jesus would indeed have gone against the will of His Father and have sinned. God would cease to exist because God cannot do evil.

The free will given to Jesus directly defines what is good and what is evil. The free will given to humans does not define good or evil, it limits the option to follow either of them.
Its a different kind of free will.

So, back to Phil's question:
If you had to choose between God or your children, which choice would you make.

You claim that God will never place this choice in front of you. I say you are wrong. God may definitely place this choice on your path.
Not because He is going to kill your children, but because He wants to see which choice you make.

Now if you notice, you see that God only asked man of faith to make this very difficult choice.

You say you are a Christian, so you are well aware what is the correct answer to Phil's question.
That you try to avoid answering the question perhaps is an indication of your faith?

[Dr. Phil]

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Why nobody answer my question kaylenepv? Most ticked-off.
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[Vulcanl]

so what,

"...Yes, Jesus had free will, but on the other hand He could not sin..."

He was part human, so I am not sure I can agree with this

"...So, God sent His only son to eart to die for mankind..."

God sent his only son to preach the Good News of his eternal Kingdom.  It was  Jesus' decision to die for us

"...That was God's will, and Jesus could not disobey God's will..."

I don't agree with this

"...So now, there we have Jesus with the free will to disobey God..."

Yes

"...Lets say Jesus would indeed have gone against the will of His Father and have sinned. God would cease to exist because God cannot do evil..."

This is an interesting hypothesis

"....The free will given to Jesus directly defines what is good and what is evil...."

"...The free will given to humans does not define good or evil, it limits the option to follow either of them...."

I don't see why you would not extend your first comment to the second (all humanity, not just Jesus)

"...Its a different kind of free will..."

Not at all.  I do agree with your view, however that free will directly results in Good and Evil existing in the World

"...So, back to Phil's question:
If you had to choose between God or your children, which choice would you make..."

I have already answered this question

"...Your claim that God will never place this choice in front of you. I say you are wrong. God may definitely place this choice on your path...Not because He is going to kill your children, but because He wants to see which choice you make..."

I disagree.  As stated, a generous and merciful God who wants us to be happy would never put us in this position

"...Now if you notice, you see that God only asked man of faith to make this very difficult choice..."

I disagree because God has not asked us to make this choice at all

"...That you try to avoid answering the question perhaps is an indication of your faith?..."

Not at all

[so what]

so what,

"...Yes, Jesus had free will, but on the other hand He could not sin..."

He was part human, so I am not sure I can agree with this

"...So, God sent His only son to eart to die for mankind..."

God sent his only son to preach the Good News of his eternal Kingdom.  It was  Jesus' decision to die for us

"...That was God's will, and Jesus could not disobey God's will..."

I don't agree with this

"...So now, there we have Jesus with the free will to disobey God..."

Yes

"...Lets say Jesus would indeed have gone against the will of His Father and have sinned. God would cease to exist because God cannot do evil..."

This is an interesting hypothesis

"....The free will given to Jesus directly defines what is good and what is evil...."

"...The free will given to humans does not define good or evil, it limits the option to follow either of them...."

I don't see why you would not extend your first comment to the second (all humanity, not just Jesus)

"...Its a different kind of free will..."

Not at all.  I do agree with your view, however that free will directly results in Good and Evil existing in the World

"...So, back to Phil's question:
If you had to choose between God or your children, which choice would you make..."

I have already answered this question

"...Your claim that God will never place this choice in front of you. I say you are wrong. God may definitely place this choice on your path...Not because He is going to kill your children, but because He wants to see which choice you make..."

I disagree.  As stated, a generous and merciful God who wants us to be happy would never put us in this position

"...Now if you notice, you see that God only asked man of faith to make this very difficult choice..."

I disagree because God has not asked us to make this choice at all

"...That you try to avoid answering the question perhaps is an indication of your faith?..."

Not at all

This is getting to be very theological...
I dont want to be preachy, just take you up on your claims.

You disagree that Jesus could not disobey Gods will. What basis do you have for this?
The old testament is filled with references and prophecies that announce the death of Jesus.
And you think that Jesus indeed could have contradicted the prophecies and Gods promise? As I said, Jesus had no choice.

Secondly, Jesus was not send just to preach the good news and His eternal kingdom.
You make it sound like the preaching part was compulsary, but the dying part was up to Him.
No, Jesus was sent with the command to die for mankind.

John 10:18 "This commandment have I received of my Father".
John 12:49 "For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say and what I should speak.

Now, here is the theological contradicting part.
God is good, and the devil is evil. God cannot contradict Himself.
The objective of Jesus death is to save mankind and defeat the devil.
Since God is good, and Jesus is good, everything God (or Jesus) does is good.
So even when God could do evil (in the opinion of man), it would still be good because He is God.
So if Jesus did have free will and theoretically could commit a sin, it would still be counted as good, so evil would become good.

At that point however, good and evil would merge and cease to exist.

Since God cannot contradict or sin against Himself, it would be physically impossible for Jesus to sin against God.

I suppose Jesus had the choice who to heal and who not, He had free will to go left or right and He had the choice to curse or forgive.

He however did not have the choice to abandon His destiny.

[so what]

"....The free will given to Jesus directly defines what is good and what is evil...."

"...The free will given to humans does not define good or evil, it limits the option to follow either of them...."

I don't see why you would not extend your first comment to the second (all humanity, not just Jesus)

"...Its a different kind of free will..."

Not at all.  I do agree with your view, however that free will directly results in Good and Evil existing in the World

The difference is here.

When God makes a choice, with His choice He defines what is good and what is evil.
For humans good and evil are pre-defined, they can only choose between them.

[believer]

hi guys sorry for late reply i was just explaining here regarding what islam says about inter religious marriage base from the Quran which we muslims belif is free from corruption , the quran unlike any other books explain itself crystal clear,there are no hidden messages eg this verse

2:221 (Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: That they may celebrate His praise )

its so simple its either you understand and practise it or you can choose not to follow and try to go against God and corrupt yourself and others.

We humans are simply amazing and creative we
 ask questions which is irrelavant to the current topic like " you had to choose between your children and your God, who would you choose?" IM STUNNED!

[Dr. Phil]

hi guys sorry for late reply i was just explaining here regarding what islam says about inter religious marriage base from the Quran which we muslims belif is free from corruption , the quran unlike any other books explain itself crystal clear,there are no hidden messages eg this verse

2:221 (Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: That they may celebrate His praise )

its so simple its either you understand and practise it or you can choose not to follow and try to go against God and corrupt yourself and others.

We humans are simply amazing and creative we
 ask questions which is irrelavant to the current topic like " you had to choose between your children and your God, who would you choose?" IM STUNNED!

And I thought it was only Jews (Zionists) who believe they are the "chosen ones".  

Okay, your religion says better to marry a slave believer than a respectable non-believer. Sadly, we Christians don't have that option, yes I know too damned PC.  

But what does your religion say about marrying a 13 year old girl who has been denied an education? And perhaps ill-equipped to appreciate the gift of wedded bliss to a dry old man?
(That's not just irreligious in Christian countries, but illegal).

Or is this another of those irrelevant questions which leave you stunned?  

[so how about?]

Phil, you dodged the question about why your culture produces o many child-molester.  LOL...you attack others but have nought to say for yourself laddie...

[so what]

Phil, you dodged the question about why your culture produces o many child-molester.  LOL...you attack others but have nought to say for yourself laddie...

It appears to me that it is very difficult to compare countries where child molestation is a registered offence, against countries where children (in particular female) have limited to no rights, or against countries that dont even know how many children are walking around.

I am sure someone will take up the challenge after you post some solid figures.

[Reverend Black]

Phil, you dodged the question about why your culture produces o many child-molester.  LOL...you attack others but have nought to say for yourself laddie...

It appears to me that it is very difficult to compare countries where child molestation is a registered offence, against countries where children (in particular female) have limited to no rights, or against countries that dont even know how many children are walking around.

I am sure someone will take up the challenge after you post some solid figures.

People make it a criminal offence.
Regardless of what laws people enact, it is a moral offence and should offend any religion.

[Mrs Tay]

hello... I have finally solemnized my marriage under civil law at ROM in June. I am now Mrs Tay. LOL! I even insert my married name (my name & my husband surname) in my IC.

Wonderful news! Congratulations!

Thank you very much! Much appreciated!

[Mrs Tay]

hello... I have finally solemnized my marriage under civil law at ROM in June. I am now Mrs Tay. LOL! I even insert my married name (my name & my husband surname) in my IC.

Congrats! enjoy life.

oh, and ignore the schoolchild who immediately posted after you - probably wasn't brought up properly.

Lol! Yeah I will ignore that ignorant idiot. Anyways, thank u so much.

[Curious Gerl]

Hi. Out of curiosity, for a Muslim to marry under Civil Law, does he/she need to declare non-Muslim?
   

[expayguy]

Hi. Out of curiosity, for a Muslim to marry under Civil Law, does he/she need to declare non-Muslim?
   

It is called Civil Law because it everyone is considered equal, what is the need for only Muslims to declare as non-Muslim?