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« on: 09 December 2010, 23:51:17 pm »

An Awakening Message

Enough is enough, there is limit on everything.  Watch out, the last straw on camel's back could be imminent ...........

In response to "Fair Assessment--- China is not a Superpower---Not Yet" by Helen Wang (from the US), perhaps you should read the following poem "An Awakening Message" by D.L. Lin (also from the US), dated April 2008.

A Poem


Published by the Washington Post

When we were the Sick Man of Asia, we were called The Yellow Peril.
When we are billed to be the next Superpower, we are called The Threat.
When we closed our doors, you smuggled opium to open markets.
When we embrace Free Trade, You blame us for taking away your jobs.
When we were falling apart, you marched in your troops and wanted your fair share.
When we tried to put the broken pieces back together again, free Tibet you screamed, it was an invasion!
When we tried Communism, you hated us for being Communist.
When we embrace Capitalism, you hate us for being Capitalist.
When we have a billion people, you said we were destroying the planet.
When we tried limiting our numbers, you said we abused human rights.
When we were poor, you thought we were dogs.
When we loan you cash, you blame us for your national debts.
When we build our industries, you call us polluters.
When we sell you goods, you blame us for global warming.
When we buy oil, you call it exploitation and genocide.
But when you go to war for oil, you call it liberation.
When we were lost in chaos and rampage, you demanded rules of law.
When we uphold law and order against violence, you call it violating human rights.
When we were silent, you said you wanted us to have free speech.
When we are silent no more, you say we are brainwashed-xenophobics.
Why do you hate us so much, we asked.
No, you answered, we don't hate you.
We don't hate you either,
But, do you understand us?
Of course we do, you said,
We have AFP, CNN and BBC's...
What do you really want from us?
Think hard first, then answer...
Because you only get so many chances.
Enough is Enough, Enough Hypocrisy for This One World.
We want One World, One Dream, and Peace on Earth.
This Big Blue Earth is Big Enough for all of Us.

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Duo-Liang Lin, Ph. D.
Professor Emeritus of Physics
University at Buffalo
State University of New York
Buffalo, New York 14260-1500
Email: DLLIN@buffalo.ed

When Japan was economically successful, it was Japan bashing.  Now it’s China bashing when China is getting a bit successful.  If you haven't heard of China bashing before, the above poem pretty much summarized it. In the following paragraphs, I'll try to clarify some of the facts and mindsets about China, hoping they can help some people to understand.  The West ( US & formerly Europe & Britain) practice hegemony and don't seem to care what the third world  feel  at all.  Third world countries have a right to grow, be strong and be successful too!

Inspite of the last 30 years of advance in city infrastructure and other hardwares, China is still a very poor country of 1.3 billion including a poverty-stricken farming population of 650 million, and a corrupt /backward government.  Anyone who has been to China can see that.  We in HK are so close to China that we probably know it better than anyone else.  But the West blows the whole thing out of proportion, calling China a Superpower, and a threat, which is simply not the case.  Author Helen Wang rightly pointed out in her book,  saying........ China is in many ways, too backward to qualify as a superpower........it has a long way to go.  However what she should realize is that the West is using the rise of a Superpower as a convenient pretext to blame and bash China for their own economic woes and diplomatic failures.  Yet business is business.  Trade still go on as long as there is a profit.

As far as I can see,   China has a lot of catching up to do.  China has more internal problems than it can handle.   China is more involved in solving its own problems, such as feeding its millions, providing them with jobs, keep the rich/poor gap narrow down, fighting corruption & inflation, and give people a decent living .....etc., etc.  So far the progress made are stained with blood, sweat and tears.  Every time one uses an INTEL, HP or Apple, there are many parts inside that are made in China's sweat shops. This is just one example which is all over the news in recent days.  Cheap products from China actually kept US inflation down for years!  Sounds like a win/win situation.  However what does the average worker gets for assembling the IC chips..........a mere US$120/m.  They work very hard, but very very sad.  I have stories to tell........much later.

It’s really a conspiracy of the West to contain China from expansion, just like containing the Soviet Union from expansion in the Cold War days.  Why is there a European Union and NATO, SEATO and other alliances?   It’s the post -WWII Western strategy to contain the two communist giants, a strategy which is still in force today, but rather out-dated, since Russia and China are no longer communists.  Why does the US has over one thousand military bases around the world and seven fleets patrolling the seas? (China has none.)  Because the politicians in the West have to justify their governments' expenditure on the military.  Because the arms dealers and manufacturers have to lobby the politicians to sell their weapons.  Because the Western nations want to perpetuate a Western dominant world.  Fair assessment?

200 years ago, after fallen behind the West, China was attacked by Britain first, then plundered, looted, colonized by a league of 8 nations, even conquered by Japan. The next 100 years, China suffered 2 revolutions, 2 World Wars,  plus Civil War and internal struggle, China, as a nation, is flatout, downtrodden,  and experiencing total collapse . All it wants now is to rebuild a country from its pieces, to give its people food, shelter, clothing, a decent life and restore some dignity to a "sick" nation.  What can be more noble and humanistic than that?  Many people do think China's leaders deserve to be awarded a Nobel Peace Prize for their contribution to lead a quarter of mankind out of poverty and starvation!  President Gorbachev received a Nobel Peace Prize for liberating the Soviet Union in 1989, a huge political change for Eastern Europe.  I think China's achievement is more internal, but economical change is just as great if not greater.   Why the West are so negative about China!   Fair assessment or not?

What about the arms race?  The US and Russia have enough nuclear arsenal to destroy the world ten times over.  But China can hardly defend itself against the real Superpowers.  China just wants to stand on its own two feet, and not being bullied by any other powers.  If one should understand the Chinese mindset, our culture of Confucius, Mencius, Laotze, Chuangtze and Buddha, all teaches harmony among men, harmony between men and nature.........what 5000 years of history has taught us that wars and killings will not solve any problems, but will create more problems.  That’s why China's leaders kept stressing China's position is not to seek the first strike in any conflict, a sharp contrast to some other country's "pre-emptive strike" mindset.  China has not invaded any country in the last 200 years. China has not one soldier combating abroad today.  It seems that China may not want to be a Superpower now.  Its Economics 101 ......guns or butter?   The answer is clear. 

Guess I spoke enough.........not in defense or accusation, but to help international understanding.

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« Reply #1 on: 18 December 2010, 15:54:39 pm »

The Chinese can already stand on their own 2 feet - however they just can't wonder too far around the neighborhood because it is controlled by a tough mafia family that keeps the region in control...  All countries pay homage and respect to this Don and happily allow for the Don's henchman to park themselves wherever they like in order to make sure everyone is in line.  The Don's old adversary is now it's bit*h and whilst the Chinese have enough money to apply pressure, true force lays with the Don.  When that situation changes sufficiently to pressure the Don, violence will ensue
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« Reply #2 on: 18 December 2010, 22:30:52 pm »

Wrath,

I just don't buy this line of China as some kind of victim of the West picking up the pieces and putting itself back together.  They assist and ally themselves with some pretty shady company (Iran, Myanmar, North Korea, Sudan, etc) and could easily play a more constructive role in World affairs. 

They are doing what is best for them and them only (fair enough).  They don't deserve any kind of moral high ground here....
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« Reply #3 on: 19 December 2010, 22:30:02 pm »

Wrath,

I just don't buy this line of China as some kind of victim of the West picking up the pieces and putting itself back together.  They assist and ally themselves with some pretty shady company (Iran, Myanmar, North Korea, Sudan, etc) and could easily play a more constructive role in World affairs. 

They are doing what is best for them and them only (fair enough).  They don't deserve any kind of moral high ground here....

V, I don't think Dr Lin is angling for high ground. Just stating some historical facts to show the duplicity and perfidy.

I don't blame you for thinking the way you do. But you must understand that the Chinese think in terms of centuries, and not the immediate years that you are familiar with.
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« Reply #4 on: 20 December 2010, 9:44:20 am »

Wrath,

"...But you must understand that the Chinese think in terms of centuries, and not the immediate years that you are familiar with..."

I think that this is one of the better aspects of the Asian mindset - however, China should be looking FORWARD and not backward.  They haven't been treated very well in the past by the West, but they need to very much let bygones be bygones and not hold a grudge. 

If they want to be a Superpower they need to start acting more responsibly on the World stage.  Not looking the other way at the activities of their shady friends is a good place to start.
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« Reply #5 on: 21 December 2010, 11:47:13 am »

Wrath,

"...But you must understand that the Chinese think in terms of centuries, and not the immediate years that you are familiar with..."

I think that this is one of the better aspects of the Asian mindset - however, China should be looking FORWARD and not backward.  They haven't been treated very well in the past by the West, but they need to very much let bygones be bygones and not hold a grudge. 

If they want to be a Superpower they need to start acting more responsibly on the World stage.  Not looking the other way at the activities of their shady friends is a good place to start.

Right, let's look FORWARD. However, how to look forward when the US is blaming China for its own failings?  Put yourself in China's sandals. The US is spending beyond its means. It is living on other people's monies. Yet it has the gall to tell China to revalue the RMB. And it is resorting to stealing other people's monies by printing US$600 billion for QE2 (Quantitative Easing, not the Queen). Is this the US's high moral ground?

2 decades ago,the US did the same Japan bashing by blaming the Yen for the US's woes. Then they instituted the Plaza Accord and Japan has been in a recession ever since.

The point is, unless the US behaves responsibly, it would always be in fiscal deficit. For internal political reasons, it will have to blame others.  If not Japan, it will be China, If not China, it will be India next. Or Brazil. Or Australia.

V, you should tell the US to get off its high horse instead.
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« Reply #6 on: 21 December 2010, 13:31:13 pm »

Wrath,

"...It is living on other people's monies..."

No one if forcing China or anyone else to purchase US Treasuries

"...Is this the US's high moral ground?..."

We do not hold the moral high ground

"...unless the US behaves responsibly..."

The average US citizen has absolutely no clue what the Government is up to.  Our Government has been been seized by the Financial Services industry and to a lesser extent by non Finance MNCs.  It serves the interests of these bastards and no one else. 

Change will not come from the USA.  It needs to be imposed on us externally.  Indeed China should revalue the Yuan and stop purchasing US debt...that would be a great place to start.

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« Reply #7 on: 26 December 2010, 19:37:35 pm »

Wrath,
Again - I will grant that it is not always possible, but the goal on a personal and public level should be ZERO debt.  Always strive for this, and you will not go far off course.

Hmmm V, the above is a classic example of the US's (or yours perhaps?) duplicity and perfidy.  I remember you were arguing until you were blue in the face why ALL debts are bad. And now you are blaming China and other creditors for the US debts?

http://www.expatsingapore.com/forum/index.php/topic,62124.msg1548005.html#msg1548005
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« Reply #8 on: 27 December 2010, 10:26:12 am »

Wrath,

"... And now you are blaming China and other creditors for the US debts?..."

Where have I done this?!!
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« Reply #9 on: 27 December 2010, 10:38:07 am »

At this stage China is the drug dealer and the US the junkie...  US spending is the engine that drives their economy however this pattern is slowly changing.  I had a conversation with someone who was adament that the US dollar would remain the primary currency and that nothing could alter that.  Sometime over the year or two - this situation will probably change. Right now though the Chinese hold a massive amount of US treasury notes, and continue to sell their products into the US aware - fully aware of its addiction and inability to pay its long term debts
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« Reply #10 on: 27 December 2010, 22:28:38 pm »

Wrath,

"... And now you are blaming China and other creditors for the US debts?..."

Where have I done this?!!

Stop purchasing US debt - that's as good as blaming the banker for your indebtedness.

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« Reply #11 on: 28 December 2010, 7:25:41 am »

Wrath,

"...Stop purchasing US debt - that's as good as blaming the banker for your indebtedness..."

No, it's not and there is no contradiction in anything I have stated.

I have posted about this before - China buys US debt to maintain the Yuan peg to the dollar.  The 'vendor financing' arrangement between the US and China was pretty stupid to begin with, and still is.  USA demand for Chinese exports will not return to what it was pre-2008.  The Chinese Gov't refuses to accept this, but the market ALWAYS wins.  This arrangement will break down and the Yuan will be forced upwards.  This is unstoppable and inevitable.

"Neither a borrower nor a lender be" is very sound advice that I live by...it is indeed sound advice for individuals and nations alike.
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« Reply #12 on: 28 December 2010, 14:26:29 pm »


"Neither a borrower nor a lender be" is very sound advice that I live by...it is indeed sound advice for individuals and nations alike.

Well, you should tell your country, the US, what to do and don't teach China how to suck eggs.
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