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« Reply #15 on: 23 May 2011, 8:18:04 am »
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To suggest Singapore policies favour Expats is ludicrous and a dangerous distraction.
If Singapore policies favoured Expats, why is it Expats are the ones complaining?  Shocked
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« Reply #15 on: 23 May 2011, 8:18:04 am »
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« Reply #16 on: 23 May 2011, 9:57:13 am »
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To suggest Singapore policies favour Expats is ludicrous and a dangerous distraction.
If Singapore policies favoured Expats, why is it Expats are the ones complaining?  Shocked


Didn't you get involved, even a little, with the General Election recently or is it the typical local trait of a Very Short Memory? I do believe you'll find it was not the Expats that were the ones complaining.
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« Reply #17 on: 23 May 2011, 17:51:38 pm »
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Hong Kong really is more central and is a bustling hub. Personally I think Korea is very safe and has a lot going for it but so too does Australia, only a couple of hours from Singapore and Australia really does beat all other locations hands down.
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« Reply #18 on: 24 May 2011, 16:35:22 pm »
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Hmmm.....Korea??  Close to an unstable (and armed-to-the-teeth) dictator.   Rather xenophobic, good English skills relatively uncommon, and the food is much less varied than in Singapore.  Great airport but not better than Changi. 

Not sure what would be appealing about Korea over Singapore. 

Australia might be but it is FAR from anything (other than NZ). 
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« Reply #19 on: 30 June 2011, 0:11:32 am »
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Hmmm.....Korea??  Close to an unstable (and armed-to-the-teeth) dictator.   Rather xenophobic, good English skills relatively uncommon, and the food is much less varied than in Singapore.  Great airport but not better than Changi. 

Not sure what would be appealing about Korea over Singapore. 

Australia might be but it is FAR from anything (other than NZ). 

Food is great.

Many xenophobes but enough rather nice girls that are not.  Way better than here.

Incheon is way nicer than Changi.

So overall you are basically wrong about everything.

I still prefer Singapore though, your reasons are just the wrong ones.
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« Reply #20 on: 30 June 2011, 0:58:40 am »
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The fact is that the end result of these surveys is an average.

The US has much higher taxes but a far higher $ for $ standard of living. In the US you would swap a small, noisy concrete box for a detached house with a large garden and possibly a private pool.

Singapore has much lower taxes but a very low quality of life in most other ways, especially in terms of accommodation, car ownership, general space and activities etc.

On a cultural level I won't comment as that anyway isn't part of these surveys.

If one day the US and the West generally manage to sort out their debt problems then they may be abler to lower taxes. This will dramatically alter the balance and probably result in a lot pf business leaving Singapore. Singapore is highly dependent on foreign business and skilled foreign workers. When they begin to leave there will be very little left of value.

In terms of property Singapore depends on these highly paid foreigners as well as currently low interest rates and relatively backward state of the neighbouring countries. When the West recovers and is able to lower its taxes something else will also have happened...interest rates will have risen. The nehghbouring countries may take decades to move ahead but Singapore may well be faced with a perfect storm in a few years once today's rather unusual conditions have normalised.
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« Reply #21 on: 30 June 2011, 7:51:56 am »
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The fact is that the end result of these surveys is an average.

The US has much higher taxes but a far higher $ for $ standard of living. In the US you would swap a small, noisy concrete box for a detached house with a large garden and possibly a private pool.

Singapore has much lower taxes but a very low quality of life in most other ways, especially in terms of accommodation, car ownership, general space and activities etc.

On a cultural level I won't comment as that anyway isn't part of these surveys.

If one day the US and the West generally manage to sort out their debt problems then they may be abler to lower taxes. This will dramatically alter the balance and probably result in a lot pf business leaving Singapore. Singapore is highly dependent on foreign business and skilled foreign workers. When they begin to leave there will be very little left of value.

In terms of property Singapore depends on these highly paid foreigners as well as currently low interest rates and relatively backward state of the neighbouring countries. When the West recovers and is able to lower its taxes something else will also have happened...interest rates will have risen. The nehghbouring countries may take decades to move ahead but Singapore may well be faced with a perfect storm in a few years once today's rather unusual conditions have normalised.


And Singapore will just sit there passively for years and let all these changes occur, watch as the world passes them by?

Your argument is flawed because it assumes that the whole world is dynamic, is learning, striving, improving, but Singapore is sitting there stoically, watching all this happen.

Singapore, being small and flexible will adapt as the global landscape changes, they will reinvent themselves if they have to. They have in the past and they are, in fact, as we speak.

That's not to say they'll have their share of dips, there was a one during 2003/4. But they came out stronger than ever.

P.S. I'm not Vulcan Smiley

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« Reply #22 on: 30 June 2011, 8:57:02 am »
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priapism,

Darn straight you're not me - I am me!   Huh There's only one Vulcan.

Don't ever be shy to defend the fact that Singapore is a great place to be in at the moment.  Its future is bright indeed.
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« Reply #23 on: 30 June 2011, 9:05:41 am »
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the_ugly_truth,

"...The US has much higher taxes but a far higher $ for $ standard of living. In the US you would swap a small, noisy concrete box for a detached house with a large garden and possibly a private pool..."

This standard of living is on the decline and we will find going forward that it was an aberration that was unsustainable

"...Singapore has much lower taxes but a very low quality of life in most other ways, especially in terms of accommodation, car ownership, general space and activities etc..."

I disagree with all of this and there are plenty of foreigners who feel the same way.  Where do you think the demand for all of these PR applications is coming from?

"...If one day the US and the West generally manage to sort out their debt problems then they may be abler to lower taxes..."

The only way this will happen in our lifetime is if the elites that run the West finally decide to do the only honorable thing: outright default on all of this unpayable debt.  I don't see that happening.  We are stuck in a multi-decade quagmire much like Japan has been for the past 20 years or so

"...This will dramatically alter the balance and probably result in a lot pf business leaving Singapore. Singapore is highly dependent on foreign business and skilled foreign workers. When they begin to leave there will be very little left of value...."

All manner of uninformed FTs have been spouting nonsense like this for years on this site.  It hasn't happened, and it won't.  Singapore's small size allows for extreme flexibility and basically the country can pivot on a dime and focus on the latest opportunities

"...In terms of property Singapore depends on these highly paid foreigners..."

Please supply some data to support this.  I doubt its veracity.

"....as well as currently low interest rates... and relatively backward state of the neighbouring countries....'

Agreed

"...When the West recovers and is able to lower its taxes something else will also have happened...interest rates will have risen...."

Define 'recover'

"...The nehghbouring countries may take decades to move ahead but Singapore may well be faced with a perfect storm in a few years once today's rather unusual conditions have normalised..."

Asia has decoupled - this is the 'new normal.'  Singapore will continue to prosper along with its backward neighbors
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« Reply #24 on: 30 June 2011, 9:10:17 am »
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If one day the US and the West generally manage to sort out their debt problems then they may be abler to lower taxes.


The ugliest truth is - that is a VERY VERY BIG IF.

In particular, for the US, that day will come when hell freezes over.
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« Reply #25 on: 30 June 2011, 11:39:35 am »
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to be more and more local and expat mates keen to leave SG in the past year or so.  Many locals would also jump @ the chance to move w more mention to Aus and the US but naturally we're not going to hear about that in the media here, are we? That would only drive the paper economy down.  So many people just trying to keep their head above water in a place that is supposed to be a wealthy paradise for most, but not many talk about it and just continue to agree to pay the ridiculous rentals and prices for mediocre living conditions. 

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« Reply #26 on: 30 June 2011, 12:29:39 pm »
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I lived in Korea for a number of years and Korea cannot play the same role as HK or Singapore.

The airport is nice, but very inconvenient. Incheon to the outskirts of Seoul takes an hour and god help you if your hotel is located downtown and it's rush hour. Ok, if it's occasional travel, but a killer if you need to fly out more than once a week. Gimpo can be used if you're flying to Japan or some parts of China.

English is not widely spoken. Once you're outside of Seoul, then good luck. That being said, people outside of Seoul are much friendlier to non-Koreans (assuming you are white).

As the number of foreigners is fairly low (approx 1 million in a nation of 50 million), there is little support. The ID number given to foreign residents does not work for online shopping, ticket reservations, etc...

Korea first. As much as people complain about Singaporeans being nationalistic, Koreans are doubly so. Any perceived slight against Korea by a foreigner will result is serious backlash - see Dokdo Islands/ Liancourt and East Sea/Sea of Japan kerfuffles and those are just about names. A popular Korean-American singer was kicked out when a post from 5 years ago surface in which he said he wanted to go back to the US and he thought that "Korea is gay"

Korea may be able to play a role as a North Asia regional hub, but for South Asia it's going to be down to HK or Singapore.
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