SIR regulations

[feh]

YAWN

Because the original poster was obnoxious enough to feel that some chinese national who didn't speak english was not fit for an LTSVP/PR, but s/he was. Maybe that chinese national was a close relative of a Singaporean? Making a racist judgement based on appearances - yeah, really classy that.

SIR can reject your application simply because they hate your haircut. Sad, but true. I believe a certain Mr. Kitaro can attest to that....

[.]

Thicko, I take it then u are not a fair person, u seem to be supporting unfairness. The whole issue with SIR is because there is no transparency people are only left to guess and speculate about abuse of the system through racial discrimination, etc. if the system was open all these suspicions would fall flat, that is if they are only suspicions. SIR could show in each case how the criteria have been applied fairly and consistently regardless of race.

[This is why - to Shadou]

Shadou,

While you are furiously checking up on the veracity of what I have said, here are a few more "home truths" for you to check them up.

1) You may use any of the 4 official languages in the law courts here.

2) The National Language of Singapore is not English.  It is not Chinese/Mandarin either.  It is Malay.

3) If you have nothing to do this Saturday, sit yourself down from 6pm to 8pm in front of the TV and watch the National Day Parade.  No, make sure you watch the Parade - even if you have something very important to do, cancel the appointment.

This will be educational for you.  You will notice that the Parade Commander will be shouting his commands in a strange language.  No, this is not an alien language.  It is the Malay language.  All commands in the Singapore Armed Forces are given in Malay.  Go figure.

[This is why]

> but neither does it state anywhere in this country that Mandarin is the "official" language <

Gee Shadou, read my post carefully again: "Singapore recognises four official languages: English, Mandarin, Malay and Tamil".
http://www.expatsingapore.com/general/language.shtml

[feh]

Because the whole country should change to accommodate you.....

why don't you go to Japan and try to get PR or citizenship there? And rant about how closed they are? What about France? What is your bloody point, Shadou? THe more you whine the more I wonder if SIR pegged you as an annoying yahoo that they'd rather keep at bay.

[BoardManager]

To those who have a gripe against the Immigration Authorities - take a step back and consider the following objectively:

a) If you have been to the SIR office, you will see that there are *hundreds* of people wanting to come in to Singapore to work, to be PR, to have a LTSVP, to have all sorts of passes everyday.

b) If you know Singapore at all, the place is very small, very limited in opportunities, space, vacancies, etc. So there must be a selective process in place.

c) Transparency : What is transparency? How can Immigration, with the multitudes of applicants each day, and coping with a very fluid situation, come up with a transparent list which will clearly and simply state that if the applicant of any particular pass, if he/she satisfies some or all of the following conditions, will automatically get the pass applied for? That list of conditions or criteria will be infinitely long! Besides, every person is different; and every situation and company is different.

Yes, it is upsetting when one does not get what one wants in life. But these guys at Immigration obviously know what they are doing, and are competent at what they do, regardless of what the applicants think of them. When one fails to get what one wants, it is not right to go about bad mouthing these people at Immigration. One cannot turn around and say that they at Immigration are racist - since OBVIOUSLY there are still MANY other applicants who are of other races who are getting their applications through, successfully!

There should be other valid reasons why some applications were not successful. Singapore is not known for doing things whimsically.

[PRfriend]

to: why is it

Do you have any friend with PR status??? they can sponsor you for LTSVP

[Number 6]

I think the problem about
SIR and transparency is not that it is not clear what the rules are, but that there is no way to have decisions reviewed.  

Other countries have some type of review mechanism or access to administrative law remedies.

[Shedding some light]

Look, PR is not something you apply for just because you want an easy way out without worrying about an Employment Pass when your employer makes you redundant.

It is not just about a cheap easy way to stay in Singapore without hassles.

It is not a way to wangle a 10 per cent pay rise via CPF for yourself.

It is not about what other government benefits you can wangle.

IT IS ABOUT COMMITMENT! It means that one day you have to have the gumption to stay here and fight for this country through good times and bad.

It means that you accept the multiracial quality of Singapore and be part of it - not some clique called expats.

Like Goh Chok Tong said in his speech last year - Are you a stayer or a quitter?

Surely Singaporeans would be insulted if you just treat this country like some place you can check in and out just because of your whims and convenience.

It means going that one step further and even becoming a citizen. Are you ready for all that?

[.]

Shedding,

So you really believe people put community ahead of their family, country ahead of community. Please wake up to the realities of life. People will do what is best for their own personal interest. National considerations are always secondary.

[Shedding some light]

To .

If that's the case then, you have no problems with Singapore Inc deciding who it decides it will want in this country and who it doesn't.

It's in their personal interest.

[Counsel]

Perhaps simple answer is that you don't add value to Singapore's economy, and maybe no visible means of financial support.  Quite likely the officer didn't know what he was talking about.

If you're assessed to be a foreign talent, no problem.  Dependent pass, no problemo.  Possible whitey busking or Eastern European lady moonlighting along Orchard Road, nope.

Racist against you?  Your statement about Chinese immigrants shows your tendencies.

"clap clap" to BM and thicko.

[.]

Shedding, I'm talking about private individuals not people elected by private individuals for the sole purpose of serving those that elected them. See the difference?

[.]

Let me take the liberty of quoting Minime:

"I, the citizen of Singapore
Pledge myself to strike the highest prizes
Based on Toto, 4D or Big Sweep
So as to achieve prizes, prosperity and progress
For my wallet"

[WannaBeFit]

Anyone of you ever tried applying for PR in countries like the U.S., Canada or Australia? I'm glad I'm in Singapore.

Try applying for Canadian PR, if you are single, you must speak French and must have a second degree (2 years) to be able to pass the PR assessment. If you are Asian, it takes about 10-34 months processing. Whereas from some other European countries, it's less than that. Check their website about processing times by country of origin.  Same with Aussie PR application. Aussie gov't wants immigrants in Australia who can create jobs, bring business or at least have some special skills (IT, Plumbers, Farmers, Carpenters, etc.)
Damn! As an Asian applying for US, Canada or Aussie Tourist  Visa is so difficult.  I only wanted to see New York or Toronto or Sydney! That's it!

And here's one posting about his/her grievances about Singapore Immigration.
Who do you think you are?

Racism? Come, let's sit and talk about it. I am Sydney at the moment (beating the cold) and I can tell you what racism is all about if you are Asian (non-Japanese) and a visitor in Sydney.  I like Melbourne better, locals there smile a lot.  Yes, I greet people, I say Hi, Hello, How are you doin'? etc. I also say thank you, or see you later, etc...but there's a BIG but....

Just hated the guy at Jet Cafe (QVB), York Street. Damn, a*hole!

[This message has been edited by WannaBeFit (edited 08-08-2003).]