How do these pinoys and indians crack the international job market?

[british graduate]

I am totally baffled as to how Filipinos or Indians or Malaysians can come to singapore and find work! Same goes for the middle east, you see SO MANY filipinos working in Dubai, yet there are (dare I say) better unemployed british candidates who recently graduated too.

What is the secret? Am I missing something here??

[Old Mike]

They will accept lower pay.

[Mike has it]

My Filipina colleague came here in 2007 on 3500 a month. Now MBA and moving up corporate ladder and on 12k - not 30 yet and she can move anywhere with us.

[PP here]

Fogot to add they do not whinge and have the same sense of entitlement I see in lots of British graduates. Too middle class and had it easy. I would rather have someone who has worked their way than had it handed on a plate to them. Get off your arses and work

[Agreed]

I am a UK national, UK graduate (a long time ago unfortunately!), worked in the City and in Manila and in Mumbai, and i have done a lot of recruitment in these cities, as well as HK and Singapore. The previous posters are correct. Filipino and Indian graduates are willing to start off on lower pay (often less than local hires in Singapore or Hong Kong) with the hope that their hard work, equal intelligence and ambition will quickly pay off and move them up the pay scales.
UK graduates have a sense of entitlement for a premium that they think their UK degrees give them. Some even expect expat benefits like flights home and living allowances.
Recruitment is all a bit of lottery - no one can really translate interview performance to work performance - but the sense of entitlement really puts me off as a prospective employer. I'd rather start with someone without the "I must be better because i graduated from the UK" attitude, and who is going to cost me and my company far less.

[british grad]

I am a UK national, UK graduate (a long time ago unfortunately!), worked in the City and in Manila and in Mumbai, and i have done a lot of recruitment in these cities, as well as HK and Singapore. The previous posters are correct. Filipino and Indian graduates are willing to start off on lower pay (often less than local hires in Singapore or Hong Kong) with the hope that their hard work, equal intelligence and ambition will quickly pay off and move them up the pay scales.
UK graduates have a sense of entitlement for a premium that they think their UK degrees give them. Some even expect expat benefits like flights home and living allowances.
Recruitment is all a bit of lottery - no one can really translate interview performance to work performance - but the sense of entitlement really puts me off as a prospective employer. I'd rather start with someone without the "I must be better because i graduated from the UK" attitude, and who is going to cost me and my company far less.

This is utter rubbish, maybe pre 2008 I could probably agree. Someone needs to do research on this, as I know a LOT of unemployed and talented British grads who are willing to undercut filipinos and indians starting salary in Singapore. Maybe recruitment practices needs to change, and maybe this is a cultural issue based on the out dated belief that British grads demands instant high salaries.

But the British education system IS better! They do things properly and are regulated vigorously, unlike the south east asian nations (except Singapore) who could potentially take briberies and I guarantee that nearly ALL plagiarised their work. lol dont get me started on India! They churn out hundred of thousands of unregulated fake graduates each year! (no offence).

Yes they are cheaper, but they may lack the skills/knowledge base that may well cost the company thousands of dollars a year because of the lost in competitiveness. I guess no one thought of that one, because those in charge now are fake graduates who doesnt know any better!

[british grad]

Fogot to add they do not whinge and have the same sense of entitlement I see in lots of British graduates. Too middle class and had it easy. I would rather have someone who has worked their way than had it handed on a plate to them. Get off your arses and work

Better to hire a properly certified graduate than potentially a fake graduate that could well cost the company!

This is utter nonsense, and my preliminary research has exposed that no one realy has a clue, other than the out dated belief of salary expectations. I think its a cultural issue, where pinoys recruiters hire pinoys only. I saw a similar thing with the Polish in UK, a whole factory was runned by Polish workers because surprise surprise the boss was Polish.

[british grad]

Like the perfect British gentleman that I am, I regret saying all those things, I am sure they are just as good in many ways. And I am just as sure as the potential inaccuracy of my claims

Wish you all Pinoys, Indians, and Malays the best. It is now and has been for some time a globalised employment market and if anything, fresh British graduates and Europeans alike need to step their game up.

Cheers

[Oh My]

I'm glad you apologised for your pompous attitude.   There are several  errors in your posting - punctuation, subject-verb agreement, "bribes" ( not "briberies").  You Brits can't write!  

There's room for everyone in this global market but the future belongs to Asians.  Chinese and Indians make up one-third of the world's population.  If you include Indonesians, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Thais, Cambodians, Malaysians, Japanese and Koreans - that's nearly half the world's population.  If you intend to come to Asia to work, please leave your delusions behind.

[Nuts & Bolts]

You pay peanuts, you get monkeys. It's all about the bottom line. The bean counters get all lathered up when the prospect of hiring someone at half the salary of the most suitable candidate and, hey presto, the lunatics are running the asylum. 

[ma'am . .]

sorry people, sometimes laeticia uses the computer and gets on the forum pretending to be ma'ams, british recruiters, saudi sheikhs etc to put in a good word for her comrades.

[Yeah, except]

You pay peanuts, you get monkeys. It's all about the bottom line. The bean counters get all lathered up when the prospect of hiring someone at half the salary of the most suitable candidate and, hey presto, the lunatics are running the asylum. 

Yeah, except that with some of you Brits, you pay diamonds and all you get is pompous lumps of coal.

The only thing that matters is performance, and a "proper" education is no guarantee of that. Outside of the Philippines, Pinoys tend to be above average performers at below market prices. Brits tend to be the opposite.

[agreed]

You pay peanuts, you get monkeys. It's all about the bottom line. The bean counters get all lathered up when the prospect of hiring someone at half the salary of the most suitable candidate and, hey presto, the lunatics are running the asylum. 

Yeah, except that with some of you Brits, you pay diamonds and all you get is pompous lumps of coal.

The only thing that matters is performance, and a "proper" education is no guarantee of that. Outside of the Philippines, Pinoys tend to be above average performers at below market prices. Brits tend to be the opposite.

As a Brit I totally agree and often feel ashamed at how I see fellow Brits behaving and performing when compared to Asian colleages.

[sillyplonkers]

what a heap of guff...

[Kapitan Obvious]

The answer is so obvious it's worth repeating: They are willing to work for less, and often willing to work harder.

As to who's better, that's based on individuals, not nationalities.

I am totally baffled as to how Filipinos or Indians or Malaysians can come to singapore and find work! Same goes for the middle east, you see SO MANY filipinos working in Dubai, yet there are (dare I say) better unemployed british candidates who recently graduated too.

What is the secret? Am I missing something here??