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« on: 24 July 2011, 22:05:58 pm »
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Do you have more assets than liabilities?

My net worth is -sg$4000 this month after graduating. Is this normal?
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« Reply #1 on: 24 July 2011, 22:53:30 pm »
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Its normal. U have to slog 10 more years to afford the downpayment on your property, and then take on a 30 year mortgage. Welcome to the Singapore dream
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« Reply #2 on: 25 July 2011, 8:24:55 am »
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Not just a Singapore problem - Similar to the housing bubble and the mainstream notion that it is 'OK' to take on a lot of debt for College costs, we need to rethink the whole idea and get back to common sense:

The Washington Post
How to manage student loan debt
By Michelle Singletary
Sunday, June 6, 2010

Soon the sounds of "Pomp and Circumstance" will fade and thousands of college graduates will have to really start facing the music -- their education loans.

For them, I have a new tune: Know what you owe.

That should be the mantra for every student borrower because an unsettling number of graduates -- and their parents -- only have a vague idea of how much has been borrowed. It's only after the degree has been obtained that they add up the costs. Many don't know who they borrowed from or how many different loans they have.

In 2008, about two-thirds of students graduating from four-year colleges and universities had student loan debt averaging $23,200, according to data analyzed by the Project on Student Debt, an initiative of the nonprofit Institute for College Access & Success.

Okay, graduates, so now that you have your degree, what do you know about your loans, and how will you manage them?

Remember CliffsNotes?

For this month's Color of Money Book Club selection, I am recommending a CliffsNotes book -- "Graduation Debt: How to Manage Student Loans and Live Your Life," by Reyna Gobel. True to the CliffsNotes brand, this compact guide walks you through the student loan labyrinth starting with "know what you owe."

"In order to work toward paying off your student loan debt, you need to be aware of the existence and the amounts of each loan," writes Gobel, a freelance financial journalist who amassed $63,000 in student loans obtaining her bachelor's and then two master's degrees.

More than 1 million people have at least $40,000 in student loan debt, according to data from the National Center for Education Statistics, Gobel reports.

The book starts with a pop quiz that I know many recent graduates would fail: How many different federal student loans do you have? Do you know the servicers on each loan or the interest rates on every single loan, or how many are subsidized or unsubsidized?

"Whether you just graduated from college or you've been out of school for a decade, it's not always easy to keep tabs on eight semesters of loans," Gobel writes.

She is tender where I might be tough. I think you darn well should know intimately every single loan you've taken out long before you take that graduation march, especially when you're locking yourself into financial bondage for several decades. Maybe if more students kept up with how much debt they were accumulating and the interest due, they would borrow less.

But if you don't know the answers to Gobel's questions, go to the National Student Loan Data System at http://www.nslds.ed.gov. This is the U.S. Department of Education's central database for student aid. Gobel walks you though the process of finding information about your individual loans.

"Brace yourself, because you are going to see how much interest has accrued since the first day you borrowed your first student loan dollar," Gobel cautions.

Don't think Gobel's advice to create a cheat sheet of your loans is trite. I was working with one student who, after finally organizing her loan data, found a forgotten loan that was already in default. She had been getting notices about the loan but said to me: "I just couldn't face the debt." She didn't open the notices.

Forgetting a loan, Gobel writes, is a fairly common problem. People think they are making payments on all their loans only to discover a loan was left out. It even happened to the author.

"If payments had been organized, this never would have happened," she writes.

You'll find what you need in this book from evaluating your debt situation to repayment and consolidation options to paying your student loans off early.

While many professors may discourage students from using CliffsNotes, I assure you this particular guide is a shortcut that will well serve borrowers looking for a concise road map to handling their education loans
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« Reply #3 on: 29 July 2011, 18:25:13 pm »
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I think if I sell everything, I will have about 4 million. 
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Am i poor?
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« Reply #4 on: 04 August 2011, 22:30:14 pm »
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Turning 39 this month.

No inheritance. Single. Working class.

If i sold everything and pay off my debt. My net worth would be about 200K CPF in ordinary account and about 600K cash.

Am i consider poor?
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« Reply #5 on: 05 August 2011, 7:57:18 am »
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Its normal. U have to slog 10 more years to afford the downpayment on your property, and then take on a 30 year mortgage. Welcome to the Singapore dream

why single out Singapore?
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« Reply #6 on: 06 August 2011, 3:14:01 am »
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Turning 39 this month.

No inheritance. Single. Working class.

If i sold everything and pay off my debt. My net worth would be about 200K CPF in ordinary account and about 600K cash.

Am i consider poor?


Nah I dont think thats poor. Maybe marginally poor-rich, but still very good.
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« Reply #7 on: 12 August 2011, 14:41:17 pm »
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Congratulations.

That's enough to eat KFC every day and still have some left to get pissed.
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« Reply #8 on: 13 August 2011, 7:19:15 am »
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Congratulations.

That's enough to eat KFC every day and still have some left to get pissed.

I said minus. I am screwed. 24 years old, broke ass graduate, no girlfriend.
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« Reply #9 on: 17 August 2011, 10:24:42 am »
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I've heard definitions of net work that preclude the home you live in.  Makes sense to me - if you liquidate that you still need somewhere to live.  House rich, cash poor (common in real estate bubbles).

I'm 38, married, no kids and, using the definition above, it's about USD800,000.  I want to be firmly over 1mil at 40.

However, I don't want to settle down and start a family in any of the homes I own.  So, I'll need to put a big chunk of cash into that when I do buy one.  Thus, using that definition, my net worth will drop a lot.
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« Reply #10 on: 18 August 2011, 8:33:06 am »
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Asking someone anonymously on the internet seems like opportunities for hmmm "swagger"??

around 40, married, no kids, 3.5M excluding real estate holdings.
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What to do now?
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« Reply #11 on: 16 September 2011, 23:31:42 pm »
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Turning 39 this month.

No inheritance. Single. Working class.

If i sold everything and pay off my debt. My net worth would be about 200K CPF in ordinary account and about 600K cash.

Am i consider poor?


What is CPF?

30, single, one kid, 800k SGD. Was doing alright but my career just crashed.
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« Reply #12 on: 17 September 2011, 7:09:02 am »
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I've heard definitions of net work that preclude the home you live in.  Makes sense to me - if you liquidate that you still need somewhere to live.  House rich, cash poor (common in real estate bubbles).

Doesn't make sense at all.
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« Reply #13 on: 17 September 2011, 13:31:54 pm »
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Yes it does - the PP's point was that even if you sell the property in which you live, you still need either to buy somewhere else or pay rent.  Investment property is another matter.
Asset valuation is always a tricky one - market or cost value?
Better to look at cash flow - if income > expenditure and you can cover your debts and put enough away for when income -> 0, then you're doing OK.
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net worth??
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« Reply #14 on: 17 September 2011, 19:18:14 pm »
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LOL,

Point 1: Asset value is tricky or as he said, it might devalue suddently.

No it's not. You use market value of course. Everything can change quickly including currency, gold, etc. Property is no different.

Point 2: You still need a place to live!

This is just retarded. So a person who owns a 1mm condo and has 100k in savings has the same net worth as the one renting for 5k/mo with100k in savings?

What if I own grain futures? Do those not count because if I sell them I still need to eat?!
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