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« Reply #30 on: 31 December 2006, 8:49:00 AM »
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People who think Toronto is exciting don't get out much. I lived there for a year and found it ugly and bland.

The city itself is in a state of decay: potholes and homeless people abound.

Taxes are high and generally rising, and the citizenry is hopelessly PC and socialist, which means the city and province have a long period of stagnation ahead of them before getting back on track.

Singapore has its drawbacks like any other place, but it has a dynamism that Toronto lost a couple decades ago.

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« Reply #31 on: 31 December 2006, 21:27:00 PM »
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I would go for Singapore anytime. Canada is so full of racists and I know - I'm a Canadian. They don't call me Bunnychow for nothing.
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« Reply #32 on: 03 January 2007, 3:09:00 AM »
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I'm an ex-Singaporean Indian and I live in Toronto. Where racism is concerned, Canada is heaven compared to singapore.
The above poster is probably white and is probably speaking from his/her perspective only, a white person who enjoys all the white privilege accorded to them in 'coloured' country.
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« Reply #33 on: 03 January 2007, 4:35:00 AM »
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China's people are gentle? Bwaahhahhahah. I'm actually pissing myself laughing. It's the gathering of one of the most racist cities in the world after Singapore. Gimme a break.
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« Reply #34 on: 03 January 2007, 12:50:00 PM »
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aren't we forgetting something here? Like Canada is a democracy?
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« Reply #35 on: 03 January 2007, 15:06:00 PM »
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Nathan Phillips,

have to agree with you that Canada is far less racist than Singapore... after living in Toronto's racially tolerant atmosphere for a few years, I've seen about half a dozen Singaporeans of Indian and Chinese origin say they are never returning to Singapore.

As for the idea white people's existence here is privileged...someone at the supermarket tried overcharging me by nearly $50 for the 3rd time this month...must be my privileged skin...don't talk until you've walked.

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« Reply #36 on: 04 January 2007, 2:57:00 AM »
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Toronto is also the kind of city where the Christmas tree is called a Holiday Tree so as not to offend non-Christians. And the city's newspaper has a policy of never describing non-white suspects in crime because it may "stigmatize" the entire race.

So it's true that people in Toronto -- and Canada in general -- are obsessed with race, but not in the way that bunnychow alleges.

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« Reply #37 on: 04 January 2007, 9:26:00 AM »
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reality check, with my own eyes and ears in toronto.

a white man shouting at a few asian tourist

:"You F#$%^&*g ORIENTALS AND YOUR DIGITAL CAMERAS!" then just walk off, leaving them visibly upset.

So enough of the singers is more racist crap.

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« Reply #38 on: 04 January 2007, 10:31:00 AM »
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Cynic,

Did Toronto newspapers have any newspaper ads saying "Indians only" or "Chinese preferred". Did they ask that women applying for secretarial positions send in a photo with their CV or specify that they wanted a 'young attractive woman'?

Do job interviewers in Toronto ask you if "your wife or girlfriend is Chinese"? Happened 3 times in Singapore to me.
Welcome to the white man's world in Singapore.

Canadians, Australians, Americans are hardly perfect but their is no official or societal tolerance of the racist nonsense that goes on every minute in Singapore.

Did someone in Toronto try to overcharge you to the tune of $50 on your grocery bills three times in one year and play the same game only with your caucasian and Filipino friends?
Did Toronto taxi drivers try to invent $7 in 'extra charges that never appeared on the receipt?
Welcome to the white man's world in Singapore.

Did Toronto landlords try to charge you $1,200 on a flat rented out for $800 to locals. Did Toronto landlords rip you off to the tune of $11,000 in rental deposits over 5 years?
Welcome to the "Privileged Angmos" world in Singapore!

Is there a landlord watchdog in Singapore to ensure that non-locals do not get ripped off by their landlords? Toronto has a landlord watchdog and they punish landlords who try this nonsense. That's why it almost never happens there.

Did you get racial insults at work without any human rights laws that let you sue the employees or companies in court? That Singapore nonsense only stopped when I went into business for myself.
This happens because...Singapore has no real protection of people suffering from racial discrimination, as any local Singaporean of Malay or Indian origin can tell you.

I've seen many people who went to Toronto just for a visit and wanted to stay forever. So far, Singapore can't even keep its own people from wanting to leave.

If Singapore wants to really improve itself, it already has great infrastructure and high-tech. Singapore's big weakness is the ugliness of its people.
Case In Point: I know ex-Singaporeans who say that they suffered almost no racial discrimination in Toronto but sufferred constant discrimination in the land of their birth, ~Singapore~
Why is that so???


May I suggest Singapore study what it is about Toronto's people and culture that makes it so attractive.

[This message has been edited by cactus (edited 04-01-2007).]

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« Reply #39 on: 04 January 2007, 11:39:00 AM »
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get a grip of yourself. 2 can play the game.

people get fleeced everywhere, its economic, not racial. a rich stupid taiwanese/HK/Chinese will get fleeced just as well here/anywhere in the world.
They may even be beaten/F#$%^Ked for just being the wrong colour.

people stating preferences in job ads? as i recall, many highly qualified people from Hong kong couldnt even get proper jobs in canada after emigration, something about "funny sounding" names on applications that get binned.  BTW This applies to whites with "wrong sounding" names too during experiments. Niceeeee.

Indians and Malays in Singers... better off than the "Indians" in canada. Last I was there, there was a standoff with one of the tribes. Bet they are very happy.

No laws against discrimination? You never heard of people detained by the ISA for spreading racist views? I would never dare fool around with that here. But free speech would make it perfectly ok in canada.

You see what you choose to see, theres no big difference. Except you see it through white eyes.

In fact your past posts seem to indicate some belief of superiority to the locals here, specifically the chinese i suspect. You a closet racist?

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« Reply #40 on: 04 January 2007, 11:47:00 AM »
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What would really make Singapore a better place is if Cactus left it for good. Jeez, thought he moved to the Philippines or something.
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« Reply #41 on: 04 January 2007, 13:47:00 PM »
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Reading 10 small men attack one big man. Singers has too few cacti and too many losers 'talking cock'
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« Reply #42 on: 05 January 2007, 1:41:00 AM »
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To cactus:

I find myself mostly agreeing with your analysis of race relations be it in Singapore or Toronto.

But we do need to distinguish between the systemic variety - an experience as a matter of course - from the isolated incidents.

No I would't like to be a white man who's automatically assumed to have $50 to spare at a store just because he's white. But relatively speaking, these are isolated incidents. And no, I don't trivialize your bad experience/s either. Everyone has those.

But the Singapore I describe from my experience as an Indian is one that treats me like dirt each and every day, with no sign of things ever changing.

I'm staying put here in TO. I'm sure there must be people here who are racist. I'll go out looking for them when I'm feeling homesick.

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« Reply #43 on: 05 January 2007, 14:34:00 PM »
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Nathan Philips,
You can be sure that you will run into your fair share of prejudiced jerks in Toronto or anywhere else but at least there, the overall atmosphere is one of tolerance.

At least if someone puts out an ad that says 'chinese only' the government does not say 'so what?' like they do in Singapore. Having real creme available at Starbucks is a plus too.

I might visit there in a few months and in the mean time, best wishes and best of fortune to you.

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« Reply #44 on: 06 January 2007, 13:54:00 PM »
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bunnchow is a bitter human being....Canada racist ? Yeah, right and the pope smokes marlboros. Sure, there are a few idiots in every country, but on a whole Canada is heaven compared to Asia, especially Singapore. My wife, who is Singaporean, feels it pretty much every day with the idiot people who have no manners, let alone much racial tolerance...we can't wait to get the hell out of this place. We've been away for 6 weeks travelling around and enjoying the freedoms, and openess some of the western world allows.

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