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« on: 01 September 2011, 14:43:44 pm »
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Hi,

I posted in another forum, but thought this would be a better place to follow up. I've been offered a chance to transfer the the UK office (though I've never lived in the UK before). A poster in another forum remarked that the quality of public education in the UK was poor and that I'd still be paying for a private school. I would be living in Essex outside of London, so I don't know if that makes a difference. I did see the websites of a few private schools and the cost sees similar to the fees charged here.

Are public schools that bad in the UK or are private schools that much better?
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« Reply #1 on: 01 September 2011, 15:07:33 pm »
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I will be returning to the UK in 18 months and schooling there is the number 1 item on the list keeping me awake.

I can only share with you what is my opinion on a few things. Firstly, it doesn't matter how fancy your school is, if your child is not interested in learning and/ or you as a parent are not willing to oversee your kids education (ensuring you support school at home, overseeing that homework is done etc.) then they are possibly not going to do that great. In the UK there are some great state schools and there are some poor private schools. I will be relocating to East Hertfordshire or West Essex. From my research I have seen that there are some very good state schools there and many people see private schooling around that area as a waste of money when the state schools are good. When I start actively looking, my first choice will be to send my brood to a great state school, if they cannot get into one, then I will go for private. My children's school is very important to me. Of course, if I had money to burn I wouldn't be looking at state schools anywhere. Try and get your employer to pay for their schooling. Failing that, if you cannot afford private, try and get them into an Offstead outstanding school. However, also look at Offstead schools rated as good as often the former may tick more boxes, but the latter may be more poplar due to the atmosphere or other aspects of the school.

You need a look-see visit to assess.

Which school are your children at now?
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« Reply #2 on: 01 September 2011, 16:23:37 pm »
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OP,

What age are your kids? Will they be in primary or senior school?
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« Reply #3 on: 02 September 2011, 11:56:29 am »
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I just have one child, primary, currently at Chatsworth. I'm sure that there must be a number of good public schools in the UK. Is there are site or list available that ranks public schools?
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« Reply #4 on: 03 September 2011, 9:22:55 am »
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Essex has a huge number of grammar schools...these are state schools but have entrance exams so when your child is 10 they can sit the 11 plus and try and get a place in one of these grammars. 

Many parents send their children to prep schools for primary who basically prep the children to enter grammars.  Depending on whether your child is 5 or 9 this option may apply to you.
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« Reply #5 on: 03 September 2011, 9:59:48 am »
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In the UK:

Public school means fee paying aka private.

State school is the equivalent of local school here - if you call it 'public school' people will think you mean private or fee paying.

Grammar schools are a bit of an old fashioned educational institution that I believe one of the Labor governments wanted to get rid of (back in the 60s or 70s) but they've got a good reputation and they stayed.  They seem to be fairly few and far between but exist in little clusters in various parts of the country.  I went to a grammar school and it is constantly graded well by Ofsted and in my opinion had many good features that would rival most of the international schools here.

To get into grammar school aged 10/11, a child has to take the 11+ exam - I'm not sure what they do if they're older and want to go - perhaps they also have to take some kind of test, or the school may base it on reports from their old school.  If they fail the 11+ the option is to go to the local comprehensive or secondary school instead.

There are good and bad points to both kinds of school in my opinion.  Although my grammar school was a very good school, it's aim was for most students to go to university.  A student may be smart enough to pass the 11+ and get in there, but that doesn't necessarily mean that by the time they get to 16 they will still want to go to university...........this happened to myself and quite a few of my friends and in that case, the provision given to these non-university students wasn't too good - not a lot of career advice there.  However, this was back in the 80s and I'm sure they're more understanding nowadays of those who aren't interested in studying in 6th form (as it is often called in the UK............people here would know it as Grades 11 and 12, or perhaps years 12 and 13, depending on which school their children are at).

Friends of mine who went to the local comprehensive school (ie those who failed the 11+) found that the school was very geared up to those leaving at 16 and offered good trade-based skills as part of the curriculum - ie metalworking/woodworking/childcare etc - they also sent their students on work experience when they were 16.......something that our school didn't do (I did that at college instead).  This particular comprehensive school now has a good 6th form so the students have the best of both worlds there - they can get trained up for leaving at 16 or they can stay on and do A'levels.

Anyhow, as your child is still young, all this will not apply immediately but it's worth considering for the future.  When looking at primary schools in the area, check out the secondary schools too.

There's a website - I think it's called the Good Schools Guide.  You have to pay to use the site but it's not too much - a couple of pounds per month, so that'd be worth doing.  I believe you can also find out about things like catchment areas on that site.  There's also Ofsted. 

You may find the housing website 'rightmove' useful as you can view houses to buy or rent and they have a map feature which will show the schools in the area with a link that takes you directly to the Ofsted reports for those schools.

I hope all of this rambling is of some help to you  Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: 03 September 2011, 19:07:56 pm »
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I am returning to the UK in a few years with small kids and your post is very helpful.
Thanks for that. Especially the info about getting into a grammar school which we are interested in. We can afford to send our 2 boys private at a struggle though. If we can find a good prep school for the 11+ and a grammar nearby then that would be a big relief.
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« Reply #7 on: 06 September 2011, 8:52:57 am »
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Thanks for all the helpful information. Schooling is the issue that does bother me quite a bit. I would like to offer some consistency and stability, which is one of the reasons why I'm considering the move to the UK.

While I enjoy Asia and have been all about for the past decade, I think for the long term I would need to settle down back in the US or Western country like the UK.
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« Reply #8 on: 06 September 2011, 21:23:17 pm »
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I am returning to the UK in a few years with small kids and your post is very helpful.
Thanks for that. Especially the info about getting into a grammar school which we are interested in. We can afford to send our 2 boys private at a struggle though. If we can find a good prep school for the 11+ and a grammar nearby then that would be a big relief.

Your chances of getting your child into a grammar school are slim to none - the waiting lists are longer than UWC and Tanglin put together.  There are many good non private schools in the UK just choose your area carefully and you will be fine. 
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« Reply #9 on: 06 September 2011, 22:09:18 pm »
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Grammar schools don't have waiting list, entrance is secured if you score highly enough in the entrance test/11 plus exam.
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« Reply #10 on: 07 September 2011, 1:05:11 am »
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Grammar schools don't have waiting list, entrance is secured if you score highly enough in the entrance test/11 plus exam.

Sorry I disagree, at the Grammar school up the road from us there is a waiting list and people have had their children on it since they were born. There is still the exam to get through as well. 
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« Reply #11 on: 07 September 2011, 8:57:35 am »
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SAE would you mind sharing some of the "areas" you feel are good. For example I have been doing research for a few weeks and thought I found a great place with great schools and then I read that this rural area is set to have 11,000 new homes built on it's outskirts!
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« Reply #12 on: 07 September 2011, 17:34:12 pm »
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Grammar schools don't have waiting list, entrance is secured if you score highly enough in the entrance test/11 plus exam.

Sorry I disagree, at the Grammar school up the road from us there is a waiting list and people have had their children on it since they were born. There is still the exam to get through as well. 

If you enter at 11+ there won't be a waiting list.  All potential students take an exam and they take the best performers.  If you enter at an older age then there has to be an available space.  Usually if a space comes up they test the person at the top of the waiting list and give them the space if they pass.
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« Reply #13 on: 07 September 2011, 18:16:09 pm »
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SAE would you mind sharing some of the "areas" you feel are good. For example I have been doing research for a few weeks and thought I found a great place with great schools and then I read that this rural area is set to have 11,000 new homes built on it's outskirts!

The South East is lovely and has great schools, check out Thatcham and surrounding areas, Wokingham and surrounding villages, Binfield, Caversham, Hazelmere - I am not sure where you are wanting to be based but if you want drop me a pm and I will see if I can help you.  which area is set to have 11000 new homes?
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« Reply #14 on: 07 September 2011, 19:50:18 pm »
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How unhelpful of people wanting to have houses...........
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