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Cheesed orf
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« on: 21 November 2011, 22:25:44 pm »
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when oh when will something be done about appalling driving habits here. I am not just talking about and blaming locals for this but so many drivers in general.

Last week I was nearly hit by a (western) lady driver who was busy sms'ing/playing on her phone while I crossed at a pedestrian crossing. For some strange reason she decided to put her foot on the accelerator while I and 2 others were still crossing, and no it was not time for her to go.

I share our car with my husband so sometimes he has the car and I travel by taxi and I see so many people now sms's while driving.

Yesterday, was by far one of the worst cases of stupidity I have seen. A guy driving along the PIE at approx 80k reading his newspaper. My daughter was in the back and I got her to photograph him. If I thought anybody would actually do anything I would send the pic to the police.

All of todays technology is supposed to have made our lives easier but everyone seems to be busier than ever. So much so that even driving from A to B cannot be done without the use of a phone.

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« on: 21 November 2011, 22:25:44 pm »
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« Reply #1 on: 22 November 2011, 8:29:12 am »
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No, lah. That driver probably from Mainland China, wot. Also, ang moh lady kena drive in US because oso lazy and maybe got driver. Now in Singapore, confirm, she only white trash. Confirm!

Singaporean not so bad driver!  Cannot, ah. Singapore traffic police veeeery strick. Go Malaysia, go Thailan', Go Batam! There can see all drivers all anyhow can! Singapore must take test, must take license, must take care. Ya, lah. Singapore number 1!
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« Reply #2 on: 22 November 2011, 10:09:16 am »
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The best thing I read on this forum was somebody's comment that driving in Singapore is easy, so long as you are reconciled to the fact somebody is going to do something very stupid at any time.

Since reading that, and reflecting on it, I have found that driving in Singapore is now a lot easier for me.  After all, the guy who cuts you up unexpectely, tailgates you unnecessarily and jumps the light is simply one generation away from a swamp village, albeit he may be driving a Merc now.  He doesn't know any better and Darwinism will ensure the elimination of the stupidest of the species, in due course.
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« Reply #3 on: 22 November 2011, 11:27:57 am »
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While dropping off my daughter at school I am seeing on a daily basis mums (again alot western) idling along on their phones.
This morning while on Tanjong Katong mum driving in her big fancy 4 wheel drive audi while child moved from back seat to front. Do people honestly think they have some kind of special force surrounding them to keep them safe? Come on, I know Audi build super cars but use your brains ladies.
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« Reply #4 on: 22 November 2011, 18:30:55 pm »
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people sms'ing while driving, jumping lights, tailgating, mothers not concentrating when dropping the kids at school and all that kind of thing happens back home too.  The pedestrian crossings are better back home though (none of that ridiculous driving over them when people are crossing that they do here), but most of it isn't that much different.
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« Reply #5 on: 22 November 2011, 20:47:25 pm »
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where you're from but never happens where I come from. Admittedly lived in a small village all my life with mostly tractors around but even when we went "into town" I never came across anything quite as bad.
I suppose after 14 years here I may have forgotten what it was like
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« Reply #6 on: 22 November 2011, 21:02:46 pm »
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Jumping the worst I have ever seen.  No matter how often it happens it still leaves me gobsmacked
I just don't understand why red light cameras don't work - and it is clear that they don't as no-one takes any notice of
 them.  And don't get me started on drivers that cannot go around corners without drifting across lanes
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« Reply #7 on: 22 November 2011, 21:15:08 pm »
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where you're from but never happens where I come from. Admittedly lived in a small village all my life with mostly tractors around but even when we went "into town" I never came across anything quite as bad.
I suppose after 14 years here I may have forgotten what it was like

LOL, I'd be a bit worried if it was just like Singapore and you lived in a small village!  Singapore isn't a small village and drivers, while a bit erratic I'll admit, aren't really all that much worse than where I moved here from - kids bouncing around in cars doesn't happen much back there I'll admit  (child-seat and seat-belt laws are very strict), but most of the rest of it does.  

However, drivers are more likely to get caught where I'm from because police presence is greater - I can't actually remember the last time I saw the police in Singapore - not recently.
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« Reply #8 on: 23 November 2011, 5:42:52 am »
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It's the same everywhere. People in general drive and cycle like idiots,walk slowly in random directions and stop intermittantly without any apparent reason to do so. People hog escalators, are too lazy to walk a flight of stairs, block walkways and such with no idea that there are other people around them. There seems to always be a mountain of lard in front of you blocking every overtaking opportunity when you are in a hurry.

Can't cope with it? Move to a small country town. People will be the same but at least there won't be that many of them which renders the situation more bearable.

Remember the 1970's? We all died in playground accidents, car accidents, of food poisonings, etc. just because we didn't spend 100% of our life anchored in safety seats, wearing safety helmets 24/7, not having detergants that kill 99.9% of harmful germs which may cause illness.

Let's have more police and more snooping on us and more rules and regulations. That's going to make life so much better for everybody. Just look at the paradises UK and Australia, to name two, have become.
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« Reply #9 on: 23 November 2011, 8:16:13 am »
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PP, while I agree that the PC brigade in many countries has made life very controlled I am not sure I understand how that excuses the truly appalling driving here.  Why is it that if I toot my horn to warn a driver that they are moving into me as they change lanes that I am given a mouthful as if I am doing something wrong.  Why is it that if they did hit me the law would consider me equally culpable because I did not move out of the way!

In other countries where I have driven - and there have been a lot, drivers take on a collective responsiblity.  You are required to look out for other drivers and as everyone (or at least a large percentage) do the quality of the driving is generally good.  In Singapore the individual takes no responsibility and as they are never held to account there is a complete lack of awareness of other drivers on the road.

But the worst thing about Singapore driving is that there is no excuse - a very good and thorough driver education and licensing system, excellent roads and modern safe cars.  I just do not understand it!
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« Reply #10 on: 23 November 2011, 14:57:03 pm »
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I have 4 and 6 year old children.

We don't have a car, and as a result they are very "street smart" when it comes to crossing roads (I still hold their hands, of course).  Even they, at their tender age, can point out which cars have run the red light and which are turning or changing lanes without bothering to indicate.  We see this behaviour every day on the way too and from school.

Several times I have had to yank them back when a driver has taken a left turn through the green man at speed but failed to notice pedestrians. 

Without sharp eyes and quick reflexes, one of us would have been hit by now.

Sorry but none of this happens in any other country I've spent time in  Huh
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« Reply #11 on: 23 November 2011, 20:40:44 pm »
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Hello, I have had some near misses with western ladies or men for that matter.  One was an aquaintance talking on her phone.  This same woman would go on about how happy she is to have a car as it is safer for her kids than taking taxis.  By my son's school there are parents who run the pesdestrian light so they can drop their kids off faster.  I get really upset by those who are quick to put locals down yet do not recognize that they themselves are menaces on the road.
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« Reply #12 on: 24 November 2011, 6:20:19 am »
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PP, while I agree that the PC brigade in many countries has made life very controlled I am not sure I understand how that excuses the truly appalling driving here.  Why is it that if I toot my horn to warn a driver that they are moving into me as they change lanes that I am given a mouthful as if I am doing something wrong.  Why is it that if they did hit me the law would consider me equally culpable because I did not move out of the way!

Actually, the intent was to not excuse the behavior, just pointed out that it is not that different from elsewhere. Neither is the other pet peeve of this forum, the random walking and stopping patterns.

I personally like the 'flexible' countries where one can relax a bit when driving, it's not the end of the world and an item in the national news if you do something unexpected. Everybody does that, so everybody is also prepared to expect that and respond accordingly. And things work reasonably well despite all the hand waving. In a lot of the more 'organised' countries the drivers tend to be very inflexible and unprepared to unexpected things.

Can't claim to be an expert in law and such, but don't a number of traffic laws also have clauses that each party must take whatever action is necessary to avoid a collission even if they are not at fault?

In other countries where I have driven - and there have been a lot, drivers take on a collective responsiblity.  You are required to look out for other drivers and as everyone (or at least a large percentage) do the quality of the driving is generally good.  In Singapore the individual takes no responsibility and as they are never held to account there is a complete lack of awareness of other drivers on the road.

I wish I could agree with you, but what you call collective responsibility I tend to call stubbornly sticking to the rules and regulations. Maybe there are extreme examples (like Germany - just observe the drivers opening up a lane in, say, traffic lights if there is an ambulance or something that needs a priority passage through - ordnung!) but a lot of wannabe-Germans I see on the roads tend to be more focused on their rights than their responsibilities.

But the worst thing about Singapore driving is that there is no excuse - a very good and thorough driver education and licensing system, excellent roads and modern safe cars.  I just do not understand it!

The concensus on this forum quite a few years ago was that the problem is that the cars are so expensive that people only get their first car at a relatively old age. In a lot of other countries, drivers start with all sorts of pieces of junk in the age of 18 (or younger) and than gradually upgrade to slightly better pieces of junk until after a number of iterations (and a lot of driving experience) they graduate to decent cars. If you don't get that exposure at a younger age (exposure to things like driving in snow also helps) and only start driving at, say, mid-30's or later, you never really develop a really good sense of traffic around you. Not so different from people getting their first ever motorbike in the 40's and leaving a handsome corpse all dressed in HD leathers for easy cleanup.
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« Reply #13 on: 24 November 2011, 8:33:10 am »
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PP, interesting observation re age of drivers and not one I had considered.  On reflection I think that makes a lot of sense.  Also factoring in that the older you get the less intolerant you become may be the reason why some of the more loathesome aspects of Singapore driving, speeding up to prevent you from moving into a lane, red light running etc. are so prevalent.
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« Reply #14 on: 24 November 2011, 10:12:25 am »
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PP, interesting observation re age of drivers and not one I had considered.  On reflection I think that makes a lot of sense.  Also factoring in that the older you get the less intolerant you become may be the reason why some of the more loathesome aspects of Singapore driving, speeding up to prevent you from moving into a lane, red light running etc. are so prevalent.

Valid as it may be, wasn't really my observation, but emerged on one of the traffic discussions on this same forum quite a number of years ago.

There may also be some link to the traffic behavior of how much of a status symbol a car is. If you take a ten year loan and become indebted to the gills to buy a car, you sure as he** will not allow anybody to reduce your status as a proud owner of a German automotive masterpiece (read: pretty basic Audi/Merc/BMW) by overtaking, or expecting you to stop just so that they can cross the road.
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