kiwi bloke ran from Singapore back to nz

[marriedguy]

Will have to go through immigration first you fool.

No they don't, dopey. Any flight that lands at Singapore (and any other airport) has a manifest forwarded beforehand.

[Give It A Rest]

PP, give it a rest! One of the reasons we can all enjoy the relative safety and security here in Singapore is because there are punishments such as caning meted out to criminals and other miscreants. If you don't want to get caned, then don't misbehave. So simple!

[nonoonononon]

PP, give it a rest! One of the reasons we can all enjoy the relative safety and security here in Singapore is because there are punishments such as caning meted out to criminals and other miscreants. If you don't want to get caned, then don't misbehave. So simple!

Thats not really true, there is plenty of crime here, its just that the police seem selective in their investigation of it and statistics don't always measure it correctly.

The moral of this particuliar story, especially for a caucassion, is keep out of trouble.

If you are ever involved in any kind of confrontation, turn the other cheek and walk away. Locals, especially men, hate caucassions and the chances of you being prosecuted for the smallest of infractions is very high. On the other hand, if you are attacked by a local, the chances of that local even being charged are extremely slim. This story of the caucassion men allegedly attacking some local men is almost the mirror image of many where it is the caucassions that have been attacked but instead, no action at all is taken by the authorities. Just remember where you are and the nature of the place and the people.

In this case these three men have ruined their careers and maybe the rest of their lives because of one minor incident which we will probably never really hear the truth of. The locals want to hear of a story of barbaric caucassions attacking innocent locals so that is the story that will be told, full stop.

So just stay away from trouble.

[impartial]

PP, give it a rest! One of the reasons we can all enjoy the relative safety and security here in Singapore is because there are punishments such as caning meted out to criminals and other miscreants. If you don't want to get caned, then don't misbehave. So simple!

Thats not really true, there is plenty of crime here, its just that the police seem selective in their investigation of it and statistics don't always measure it correctly.

The moral of this particuliar story, especially for a caucassion, is keep out of trouble.

If you are ever involved in any kind of confrontation, turn the other cheek and walk away. Locals, especially men, hate caucassions and the chances of you being prosecuted for the smallest of infractions is very high. On the other hand, if you are attacked by a local, the chances of that local even being charged are extremely slim. This story of the caucassion men allegedly attacking some local men is almost the mirror image of many where it is the caucassions that have been attacked but instead, no action at all is taken by the authorities. Just remember where you are and the nature of the place and the people.

In this case these three men have ruined their careers and maybe the rest of their lives because of one minor incident which we will probably never really hear the truth of. The locals want to hear of a story of barbaric caucassions attacking innocent locals so that is the story that will be told, full stop.

So just stay away from trouble.

Any facts on this or just a make-up story to infuse locals vs caucasians battle? .

[nonononon]

depends what you mean by facts. if you accept anecdotal evidence as factual, then i would say quite a lot. if you are asking for official statistics then clearly no, how could there be?

[silly dahlberg]

Suntec City brawl: NZ fugitive may end up on Interpol list
 
 
The Singapore Police Force may enlist the help of Interpol to track down New Zealander Robert Stephen Dahlberg (right).

This means Dahlberg, who jumped bail after he was charged with causing hurt during a fracas, may have cops from New Zealand, Hong Kong and Britain on his tail.

The 34-year-old was charged in July last year for his alleged involvement in a brawl at Suntec City almost two years ago. He was granted bail of $25,000 and given permission to travel to London and Hong Kong till July 29. However, he failed to turn up in court later and a warrant of arrest was issued against him on Sept 12.

 

[Mr Lee]

PP, give it a rest! One of the reasons we can all enjoy the relative safety and security here in Singapore is because there are punishments such as caning meted out to criminals and other miscreants. If you don't want to get caned, then don't misbehave. So simple!

Thats not really true, there is plenty of crime here, its just that the police seem selective in their investigation of it and statistics don't always measure it correctly.

The moral of this particuliar story, especially for a caucassion, is keep out of trouble.

If you are ever involved in any kind of confrontation, turn the other cheek and walk away. Locals, especially men, hate caucassions and the chances of you being prosecuted for the smallest of infractions is very high. On the other hand, if you are attacked by a local, the chances of that local even being charged are extremely slim. This story of the caucassion men allegedly attacking some local men is almost the mirror image of many where it is the caucassions that have been attacked but instead, no action at all is taken by the authorities. Just remember where you are and the nature of the place and the people.

In this case these three men have ruined their careers and maybe the rest of their lives because of one minor incident which we will probably never really hear the truth of. The locals want to hear of a story of barbaric caucassions attacking innocent locals so that is the story that will be told, full stop.

So just stay away from trouble.

Well that has to be the most sensible and accurate statement on the whole affair so far. local men can be jealous, spiteful and love running to the police/boss/mummy instead of fighting their own battles. Like the other poster said, just stay away from trouble and enjoy their women   

[TouchNGoScam]

Beware Expats, don't play or you'll pay. *Shocking News*

Lawyers say they're seeing more expats, accused of molest in pubs, paying to avoid going to court. -TNP

Tue, Feb 22, 2011
The New Paper  

By Joyce Lim

FOR a growing number of expatriates who hit dance clubs here to meet women, a game of touch and play is fast becoming a nightmare of touch and pay.

Lawyers The New Paper on Sunday spoke to say they have spotted similarities in a series of outrage of modesty cases they have handled in the past year.

The story is always the same - Mr Expat goes clubbing, gets drunk and accepts the advances of women who snuggle up to them on the dance floor.

A while later, a group of men confront Mr Expat, accusing him of molest.

And because he is too drunk to remember what happened, he chooses to pay off the woman rather than appear in court to fight the charges.

Such cases usually involve foreigners who hold high positions in multinational companies (MNCs).

In most cases, the expats would agree to compensate the women to compound their cases.

Under the law, certain criminal offences such as simple molestation cases can be settled out of court if the victim agrees to drop the matter in return for some form of compensation.

An offender who has had his offence compounded will not have a criminal record.

Lawyers have become concerned that some clubgoers see this as a quick way to make money.

Lawyer Chia Boon Teck, a partner at Chia Wong LLP, said: "By targeting expats, the chances of getting money from them are high as they can't afford to get into trouble with the law.

"Sometimes, they would even be willing to pay on the spot."

Lawyer Amolat Singh is unsure if there is a trend of women trying to make a quick buck out of expats here, but he has been getting more expats seeking his help over such accusations.

"Expats tend to be more vulnerable," said the lawyer from Amolat and Partners.

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Urgency to settle cases

"Some of them have to travel frequently for work and may not want their cases to drag or their passports to be taken away. They do have a great urgency to settle the cases."

There were 96 cases of outrage of modesty reported in nightspots islandwide last year, and 108 cases the year before.

Last year, Mr Chia handled three such cases involving foreigners. Police reports were made in all three cases.

Two of the three clients hold high positions in MNCs here.

One paid $5,000 to the alleged victim. Another refused to pay and was prepared to go to trial. The case was later dropped.

The third client, who is a foreign student, paid $8,000 for the case to be compounded.

Mr Chia said: "All three cases are fairly similar. They took place on the dance floor. There was no befriending prior to the allegations. It was very straightforward - 'I was on the dancefloor and he molested me'.

"These women would come forward and say that they can tell the difference between an accidental touch and molest.

 
"If they claim trial and the men go to court and tell the judge that they were too drunk to remember what happened, the women's side of the story would be unchallenged.

"Unless (the women) are caught telling lies on the witness stand, the judge would have little choice but to accept their side of the story."

Mr Chia added: "In the worst-case scenario of an aggravated form of molest involving the breasts and private parts, one can be caned and jailed."

Lawyer Steven Lam of JTJB LLP does not think there is an organised scam going on, but warns men to be extra careful when they drink.

One of the cases he handled last year involved a high-profile foreign businessman who got drunk in a club on Orchard Road and was later accused of molesting a woman.

Mr Lam said: "My client was very drunk and could not remember much of what happened. His associates who were with him told me that a group of young men and girls had joined them at their table.

"The girls got close to him and he started touching them.

"At about 2am, he went to the toilet and when he returned to his table, the group of young men confronted him for molesting one of the girls. The police were called and I was called.

"One of the guys later called him and proposed to settle the case for $10,000. The matter was compounded with him paying them $10,000 and buying alcohol for the whole group."

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Could not recall molest

In the cases that Mr Singh has handled, his foreign clients, too, could not recall molesting anyone.

Mr Singh said: "In one case, my client had already left the club and he was queuing up for food at a fast food joint when a woman, accompanied by policemen, confronted him.

"The woman claimed he had molested her in the club earlier.

"My client could not recall, but compensated the woman about $4,000 to have the case compounded."

Mr Singh added: "We cannot be sure about such cases. Maybe these expats tend to take greater liberties as they are in a club and they might have been misinformed or have a misconception about women here as compared to those back home.

"Maybe the women are really victims."

Nevertheless, Mr Chia warns men to be wary whenever women approach them in a pub or club.

"Don't go alone. Make sure that there is at least someone sober to be a witness. In all my three cases, all were very drunk and no one could come forward to tell me what really happened."

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Partygoer: Don't get drunk, keep hands to yourself

HE HAD downed an array of shots and about a dozen pints of beer before he got on the dance floor.

The club was packed with men and women rubbing their bodies against one another as they swayed to the music.

The next thing he knew, he was led out of the club by two bouncers, followed by a group of young men and women.

The men hurled verbal abuses at the expat, claiming that he had molested one of the women.

"I couldn't remember anything at all," said the 35-year-old Canadian, who wanted to be known only as Michael.

"They were threatening to call the police. I told them I didn't want any trouble, and one of the them asked the girl if she would accept monetary compensation.

"I paid them $3,000."

The incident took place last April and Michael hasn't returned to the club since.

Now, Michael, who has been here for over a year and works as a senior manager in a bank, frequents smaller clubs and pubs.

The bachelor claimed that most men wouldn't think twice about coming on to women who get close to them in a club.

But he is now more careful with women he meets in nightspots.

"I heard how the law is very strict here. So I don't want to get into any trouble."

For a woman to scream molest, she does not need many witnesses, said a bouncer who wanted to be known only as Yusz.

Yusz, 33, who used to head the security unit of a chain of 14 clubs here, said: "The dance floor is too packed, and even if we play back the CCTV footage, we may not be able to see much on camera.

Yusz said he used to get about five or six cases of molest reported from the 14 clubs every month.

Mr Dennis Foo, chief executive officer of St James Holdings, said: "Today's women...know their rights and the law. Even though they may seem very liberal on the dance floor, that doesn't mean that men can take advantage of them easily."

Miss Deborah Dayani feels that some expats may be misinformed of the values of local women by a few of the more liberal women they have met on the dance floor.

The 25-year-old public relations consultant parties twice a month and goes out for drinks at least once a week.

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Wrong impression

She said: "I've seen how some local women literally dirty-dance with the ang mohs (referring to Caucasians). Once, I saw a woman exposing her underwear to one ang moh on the dance floor.

"After that ang moh left the dance floor, another one came and took over the dance with her. She probably gave those men a wrong impression of local women. So they think that girls in clubs are easy and they can touch them.

"But if you don't want to be accused of molest, don't get drunk. And keep your hands to yourself."

But a French national, who wanted to be known only as Benoit, 29, feels that women are getting more aggressive on the dance floor.

The bank manager, who has been working in Singapore for five years, said: "It is inevitable that there will be a lot of body contact when you dance.

"But...if a woman screams molest, it is your word against hers...

"I can understand why, as foreigners, we don't want to go on trial. It's easier to just settle the matter with money."

Touch and pay may seem to be the easiest way to avoid getting a criminal record, but Mr Paulo Filvino Assis Brito, 27, prefers relying on the law.

The Portugal national who has been working here as an IT analyst in a French bank for three years, said: "It's normal to be rubbing against one another on the dance floor.

"If a woman is sticking so closely to me and I touch her butt, that is normal.

"If she wants to make a police report, I would tell her to go ahead."

This article was first published in The New Paper.

[Mr Lee]

"But...if a woman screams molest, it is your word against hers..."

No, its not, you are in Asia. In Asia your word is valued less than that of a local, any local, as long as they are Asian. Whats more, your word will be up against all of her colluding friends and up against that of the largely racist (they hate caucassions) security and staff and the police.

Believe me, everytime a caucassion is involved in any dispute with a local the odds are stacked massively against the caucassiion. However minor the incident they want you to be  jailed even if for a local the worst case scenario would be a small fine. To that end you will be alone against a mob who will lie, collude and attack for reasons of greed/hate/racism. And even if you did nothing wrong at all, setups are common, both in terms of scams, or just to get you into trouble for reasons of spite and hate. And if you are ever involved in any form of confrontation with a "local" don't be surpised to be immediately attacked by a mob of "local" Asian men (friends, bouncers, staff, any racist local that wants to get a chance to kick a caucassion in the head for free) and don't expect the law to then be on your side even if you are serioulsy injured.

 

It's exactly the same in most other third world countries.

[Question]

Oh please most locals are indifferent to caucasians. Now if you are dark skinned or from mainland china, thats another story...

Locals that try to provoke caucasians are most likely local gangsters. People like that exist everywhere (e.g. chavs in the UK).

Also in regards to women crying molest, any man, regardless of skin color is screwed. The laws favour women VERY heavily here. In most western countries, when a woman claims molest, judges/juries take her side of the story. Double standards that favour women are particularly prevalent in western countries for some reason (see US divorce court statistics)

[SingaporeanAndy]

"But...if a woman screams molest, it is your word against hers..."

No, its not, you are in Asia. In Asia your word is valued less than that of a local, any local, as long as they are Asian. Whats more, your word will be up against all of her colluding friends and up against that of the largely racist (they hate caucassions) security and staff and the police.

Believe me, everytime a caucassion is involved in any dispute with a local the odds are stacked massively against the caucassiion. However minor the incident they want you to be  jailed even if for a local the worst case scenario would be a small fine. To that end you will be alone against a mob who will lie, collude and attack for reasons of greed/hate/racism. And even if you did nothing wrong at all, setups are common, both in terms of scams, or just to get you into trouble for reasons of spite and hate. And if you are ever involved in any form of confrontation with a "local" don't be surpised to be immediately attacked by a mob of "local" Asian men (friends, bouncers, staff, any racist local that wants to get a chance to kick a caucassion in the head for free) and don't expect the law to then be on your side even if you are serioulsy injured.

Hey, to be convicted of a crime in Singapore, as in most Commonwealth countries, the accusation has to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt.

So if it is only your words against hers, you can be sure you will get off scot-free, even if you really did touch her bum or breast. Isn't that a good thing?

[wakeup]

PP Naive clown.

[you are naive]

PP Naive clown.

You are the truly naive clown if you truly think that a woman's words with no independent eye-witnesses can convict a person of molest in any court, in any developed country the world.

Or maybe you are just a timid and fearful little mouse.

Doctor acquitted of molest:
asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne+News/Crime/Story/A1Story20091105-178131.html

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