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Author Topic: Property is sticky going down. I tell you why.  (Read 1427 times)
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« on: 20 January 2012, 16:45:08 pm »
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1. Interest rate is so low rental has become lucrative passive income to many.
2. Sentiment drives market. With HDB breaking new highs every Q, its unlikely to turn negative.
3. Foreigner dont buy, but they rent. Rental yield to increase further. Landlord happy to keep rather than sell.
4. Existing foreigner hold on to existing property knowing the next one they buy will cost 10% more.
5. Economy downturn is overblown. Increasingly unlikely to happen.
6. No developer need to cut price to clear stocks when mass market is still doing well.
7. No secondary market fire sales when no one is losing their jobs nor bosses going bankrupts.
8. Population is still growing.
9. Only strong holders in the market. Weak one aleady weeded out by previous CMs.
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« Reply #1 on: 20 January 2012, 17:59:24 pm »
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Partially good post. You are wrong however with points 3. (less foreigners coming to SG), 5. (March 2012 will be the largest downturn coming up), 6. (developers NEED to cut prices to clear stock in 5 years and units are now selling slower than ever) and 7. (retrenchments have already started).

Overall, a rocky ride ahead for SG property market.

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dont forget that
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« Reply #2 on: 20 January 2012, 18:40:17 pm »
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The IR, F1 and the Flyer & tourism have done a lot for the economy agreed,

In case you havent noticed though, a 2nd global downturn is coming and its far worse than the first one.

Lets hope it doesnt affect asia, but I have a feeling that it will this time round.
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« Reply #3 on: 13 February 2012, 20:39:29 pm »
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From what I see, the recession which is coming will be a big one.
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« Reply #4 on: 14 February 2012, 9:22:16 am »
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1. Interest rate is so low rental has become lucrative passive income to many.
Precisely because interest rate is so low that it is scary. The only way for interest rate to go is up.

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2. Sentiment drives market. With HDB breaking new highs every Q, its unlikely to turn negative.
HDB prices has reached the inflection point and are likely to go down next quarter.

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3. Foreigner dont buy, but they rent. Rental yield to increase further. Landlord happy to keep rather than sell.
Foreigners account for a third of the purchases.

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4. Existing foreigner hold on to existing property knowing the next one they buy will cost 10% more.
Bingo - your point 4 contradicts point 3. How can foreigner hold to existing property if they don't buy?

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5. Economy downturn is overblown. Increasingly unlikely to happen.
How can it be overblown if it hasn't really started? Just you wait.

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6. No developer need to cut price to clear stocks when mass market is still doing well.
Check the latest URA indices. Semi-D has turned negative. The rest (bungalows, terraces, condos, etc.) are at the inflection points and will definitely turn negative next quarter.

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7. No secondary market fire sales when no one is losing their jobs nor bosses going bankrupts.
Same as point 5 above. The economy has not gone into recession yet - going to very soon. The Euro zone is in sh1t and China's banking industry & property market are in a mess.

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8. Population is still growing.
Population may be growing, but at a much slower pace due to the clamp down on foreigners.

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9. Only strong holders in the market. Weak one aleady weeded out by previous CMs.
Holders only appear to be strong because of low interest rates and having jobs. Once the economic sh1t hits the fan, you will see more weeding.  Barings and Lehman Brothers were once century-old blue-blood banks - as strong as you can get. What happened to them?

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« Reply #5 on: 14 February 2012, 11:07:33 am »
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1. Interest rate is so low rental has become lucrative passive income to many.
Precisely because interest rate is so low that it is scary. The only way for interest rate to go is up.

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2. Sentiment drives market. With HDB breaking new highs every Q, its unlikely to turn negative.
HDB prices has reached the inflection point and are likely to go down next quarter.

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3. Foreigner dont buy, but they rent. Rental yield to increase further. Landlord happy to keep rather than sell.
Foreigners account for a third of the purchases.

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4. Existing foreigner hold on to existing property knowing the next one they buy will cost 10% more.
Bingo - your point 4 contradicts point 3. How can foreigner hold to existing property if they don't buy?

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5. Economy downturn is overblown. Increasingly unlikely to happen.
How can it be overblown if it hasn't really started? Just you wait.

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6. No developer need to cut price to clear stocks when mass market is still doing well.
Check the latest URA indices. Semi-D has turned negative. The rest (bungalows, terraces, condos, etc.) are at the inflection points and will definitely turn negative next quarter.

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7. No secondary market fire sales when no one is losing their jobs nor bosses going bankrupts.
Same as point 5 above. The economy has not gone into recession yet - going to very soon. The Euro zone is in sh1t and China's banking industry & property market are in a mess.

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8. Population is still growing.
Population may be growing, but at a much slower pace due to the clamp down on foreigners.

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9. Only strong holders in the market. Weak one aleady weeded out by previous CMs.
Holders only appear to be strong because of low interest rates and having jobs. Once the economic sh1t hits the fan, you will see more weeding.  Barings and Lehman Brothers were once century-old blue-blood banks - as strong as you can get. What happened to them?



Bear much?

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cock and bull
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« Reply #6 on: 14 February 2012, 14:51:53 pm »
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Bear much?


And you have too much bull....
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« Reply #7 on: 14 February 2012, 22:09:28 pm »
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STI to break 3000 this month and 3300 this year.

Forget about recession in SG.

Singapore economy will continue to grow from recovery of US and the strength of developing Asia.
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wont happen
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« Reply #8 on: 14 February 2012, 22:41:51 pm »
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Thats just fantastic news.  We just bought hoping its just going to keep rising and dont want our place to go down.  I cant go down out here.
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« Reply #9 on: 20 March 2012, 12:57:20 pm »
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"Only strong holders in the market. Weak one aleady weeded out by previous CMs."

"Holders only appear to be strong because of low interest rates and having jobs. Once the economic sh1t hits the fan, you will see more weeding.  Barings and Lehman Brothers were once century-old blue-blood banks - as strong as you can get. What happened to them?"

Barings was destroyed by a Foreign Talent.
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« Reply #10 on: 20 March 2012, 15:28:16 pm »
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Barings was destroyed by a Foreign Talent.

At least that puts you in the clear, ya lazy midden
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