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« Reply #2040 on: 10 June 2017, 1:17:44 AM »

How were fossils formed during the flood?


They were rapidly buried. For example:

Rapid Burial

Fossils all over the world show evidence of rapid burial. Many fossils, such as fossilized jellyfish,a show by the details of their soft, fleshy portionsb that they were buried rapidly, before they could decay. (Normally, dead animals and plants quickly decompose.) The presence of fossilized remains of many other animals, buried in mass graves and lying in twisted and contorted positions, suggests violent and rapid burials over large areas.c These observations, plus the occurrence of compressed fossils and fossils that cut across two or more layers of sedimentary rock, are strong evidence that the sediments encasing these fossils were deposited rapidly—not over hundreds of millions of years. Furthermore, almost all sediments that formed today’s rocks were sorted by water. The worldwide fossil record is, therefore, evidence of rapid death and burial of animal and plant life by a worldwide, catastrophic flood. The fossil record is not evidence of slow change or evolution.d [See "A Whale of a Tale" http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/HydroplateOverview7.html#wp31177176]


Figure 7: Fossil of Fish Swallowing Fish. Burial and fossilization must have been quite rapid to have preserved a fish in the act of swallowing another fish. Thousands of such fossils have been found.


Figure 8: Fish in Long Fish. In the belly of the above 14-foot-long fish is a smaller fish, presumably the big fish’s breakfast. Because digestion is rapid, fossilization must have been even more so.


Figure 9: Fish in Curved Fish. The curved back shows that this 3-meter-long fish, Xiphactinus, died under stress. Inside it is a 1-meter-long fish.


Figure 10: Dragonfly Wing. This delicate, 1 1/2-foot-long wing must have been buried rapidly and evenly to preserve its details. Imagine the size of the entire dragonfly!

a .   Thousands of jellyfish, many bigger than a dinner plate, are found in at least seven different horizons of coarse-grained, abrasive sandstone in Wisconsin. [See James W. Hagadorn et al., “Stranded on a Late Cambrian Shoreline: Medusae from Central Wisconsin,” Geology, Vol. 30, February 2002, pp. 147–150.]

Coarse grains slowly covering a jellyfish would allow atmospheric oxygen to migrate in and produce rapid decay. Burial in clay or mud would better shield an organism from decay. If coarse-grain sand buried these jellyfish in a storm, turbulence and abrasion by the sand grains would tear and destroy the jellyfish. The liquefaction chapter (http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/Liquefaction2.html#wp1100074) explains how thousands of jellyfish were gently collected and preserved in coarse-grained sand.

Charles Darwin recognized the problem of finding fossilized soft-bodied organisms, such as jellyfish.  He wrote:

No organism wholly soft can be preserved. Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species, p. 330.

Again, a prediction of evolution is seen to be wrong.

Preston Cloud and Martin F. Glaessner, “The Ediacarian Period and System: Metazoa Inherit the Earth,” Science, Vol. 217, 27 August 1982, pp. 783–792. [See also the cover of that issue.]

Martin F. Glaessner, “Pre-Cambrian Animals,” Scientific American, Vol. 204, March 1961, pp. 72–78.

b .   Donald G. Mikulic et al., “A Silurian Soft-Bodied Biota,” Science, Vol. 228, 10 May 1985, pp. 715–717.

 “... preconditions for the preservation of soft-bodied faunas: rapid burial of fossils in undisturbed sediment; deposition in an environment free from the usual agents of immediate destruction—primarily oxygen and other promoters of decay, and the full range of organisms, from bacteria to large scavengers, that quickly reduce most carcasses to oblivion in nearly all earthly environments; and minimal disruption by the later ravages of heat, pressure, fracturing, and erosion. ... But the very conditions that promote preservation also decree that few organisms, if any, make their natural homes in such places.” Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life (New York: W. W. Norton & Co., 1989), pp. 61–62.

c .   Presse Grayloise, “Very Like a Whale,” The Illustrated London News, 1856, p. 116.

Sunderland, pp. 111–114.

David Starr Jordan, “A Miocene Catastrophe,” Natural History, Vol. 20, January–February 1920, pp. 18–22.

Hugh Miller, The Old Red Sandstone, or New Walks in an Old Field (Boston: Gould and Lincoln, 1858), pp. 221–225.

d .   Harold G. Coffin, Origin By Design (Washington, D.C.: Review and Herald Publishing Assn., 1983), pp. 30–40.
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« Reply #2041 on: 10 June 2017, 14:00:31 PM »

Unfortunately the radioisotope dated do not support your hypothesis.
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« Reply #2042 on: 10 June 2017, 21:22:57 PM »

Unfortunately the radioisotope dated do not support your hypothesis.

Yes they do:

Radiometric Dating Flaws


For many people, radiometric dating might be the one scientific technique that most blatantly seems to challenge the Bible’s record of recent creation. For this reason, ICR research has long focused on the science behind these dating techniques.

Along with scores of other Bible-believing geologists, ICR scientists have made key observations that compel us to reject the millions-of-years apparent ages that these techniques yield:

•   First, rocks of known age always show vastly inflated radioisotope “ages.”
•   Second, various radioisotope methods or even various attempts using the same method yield discordant ages more often than concordant ages.
•   Third, many dating methods that don't involve radioisotopes—such as helium diffusion, erosion, magnetic field decay, and original tissue fossils—conflict with radioisotope ages by showing much younger apparent ages.

These observations give us confidence that radiometric dating is not trustworthy. Research has even identified precisely where radioisotope dating went wrong. See the articles below for more information on the pitfalls of these dating methods.

http://www.icr.org/article/6246
http://www.icr.org/article/7848
http://www.icr.org/article/4816
http://www.icr.org/article/5656
http://www.icr.org/article/1169
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« Reply #2043 on: 11 June 2017, 1:33:41 AM »

If this is true, why did your god plant fake evidence.
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« Reply #2044 on: 11 June 2017, 3:29:18 AM »

If this is true, why did your god plant fake evidence.

What fake evidence do you think He planted?
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« Reply #2045 on: 11 June 2017, 17:17:33 PM »

The light from stars millions of light tears away?
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« Reply #2046 on: 11 June 2017, 22:00:17 PM »

The light from stars millions of light tears away?

Here is evidence it was not faked:

Light Speed


There are Biblical indications that the earth and the universe were created with the appearance of age. There are several examples of this:

The stars (Gen. 1:14-19)—The sun, moon, and stars were revealed on the fourth day of the creation week. Individually and collectively they were to have different functions: dividing the day from the night, serving as navigational aids, as chronological indicators, for illuminating the earth, as well as for declaring the glory of God (Psalm 19:1). What is not often noticed is that "it was so" on the very day of their revealing (Gen. 1:15). Granted, the Biblical word "star" (Heb: kokab; Gr: aster) is a broader term than our English usage of "star" as an energy source, and includes just about anything in space, but the point is that the stars—and the nearest is 4 1/2 light-years distant—were seen on the first day of their existence. This means that even if the distances are correct, the stars would merely have given the appearance of having been here longer. Therefore, the stars and the light beams connecting them visually to the Earth were both created at the same time.

This concept raises several questions. First, does this not mean that God—like some magician—is intentionally deceiving us by making things appear to be older than they actually are? The question really goes back to the matter of intent: did God intend to fool us, or did He intend primarily to make things fully functional but we are fooled only because we view them with certain uniformitarian assumptions? Therefore, while it is true that the earth and the universe were created with the appearance of age, I think we do better to speak of the creation of a fully functional universe that, as a secondary feature, merely gives the appearance of age.

Conclusion

There are three "secular" or non-Biblical possibilities to the problem of harmonizing a young universe with the allegedly-great distances of the outer galaxies: (1) the distances may not be that great after all; (2) light may take a "shortcut" as it travels through deep space; (3) the speed of light may have been considerably faster in the past. These three are not mutually exclusive, and may in fact be used in conjunction with each other. The fourth solution, which may be used independently or in conjunction with the above three, is that God created the light beams as well as the stars so that they could be—as indeed they were—seen when they were created.

http://www.icr.org/article/starlight-age-universe/
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« Reply #2047 on: 12 June 2017, 0:52:03 AM »

Precisely. Why have you not said this before?
The universe as created 6000 years ago with built in evidence that it was billions of years old.
Once you accept this there is no further argument. It is impossible to disprove this statement, so there is no point in you posting anything else.
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« Reply #2048 on: 14 June 2017, 23:58:40 PM »

Fossil Gaps 4


“But the curious thing is that there is a consistency about the fossil gaps: the fossils go missing in all the important places. When you look for links between major groups of animals, they simply aren’t there; at least, not in enough numbers to put their status beyond doubt. Either they don’t exist at all, or they are so rare that endless argument goes on about whether a particular fossil is, or isn’t, or might be, transitional between this group or that.” Hitching, p. 19. [emphasis in original]

“There is no more conclusive refutation of Darwinism than that furnished by palaeontology. Simple probability indicates that fossil hoards can only be test samples. Each sample, then, should represent a different stage of evolution, and there ought to be merely ‘transitional’ types, no definition and no species. Instead of this we find perfectly stable and unaltered forms persevering through long ages, forms that have not developed themselves on the fitness principle, but appear suddenly and at once in their definitive shape; that do not thereafter evolve towards better adaptation, but become rarer and finally disappear, while quite different forms crop up again. What unfolds itself, in ever-increasing richness of form, is the great classes and kinds of living beings which exist aboriginally and exist still, without transition types, in the grouping of today.” [emphasis in original] Oswald Spengler, The Decline of the West, Vol. 2 (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1966), p. 32.

[From “In the Beginning” by Walt Brown]
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« Reply #2049 on: 15 June 2017, 0:27:27 AM »

To quote your own paste: 

"   I think we do better to speak of the creation of a fully functional universe that, as a secondary feature, merely gives the appearance of age. "

This is a statement of faith. It is totally impossible to disprove it, so it has nothing to do with science.
You are wasting your time.
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« Reply #2050 on: 15 June 2017, 1:24:14 AM »

To quote your own paste: 

"   I think we do better to speak of the creation of a fully functional universe that, as a secondary feature, merely gives the appearance of age. "

This is a statement of faith. It is totally impossible to disprove it, so it has nothing to do with science.
You are wasting your time.


More like observation.
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« Reply #2051 on: 15 June 2017, 15:11:05 PM »

Quote
More like observation.


If you take as absolute truth what you read in a book written by bronze age nomads, never meant to be a science textbook, there is no place for observation.
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« Reply #2052 on: 15 June 2017, 21:31:29 PM »

Quote
More like observation.


If you take as absolute truth what you read in a book written by bronze age nomads, never meant to be a science textbook, there is no place for observation.


Bible Accuracy

 
1. Archaeology confirms the historical accuracy of the Bible:
 
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/archaeology_and_the_bible.html
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/the_rocks_cry_out.html
http://christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a008.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeology/home.html
http://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/the-bible-and-archaeology-how-archaeology-confirms-the-biblical-record

2. The Bible is not a science book, yet is scientifically accurate:
 
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/scientific_facts_in_the_bible.html
http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

3. The Bible is filled with hundreds of accurately fulfilled prophecies:

 
http://www.100prophecies.com/
http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/bible-prophecies-fulfilled.htm
http://www.reasons.org/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-reliability-bible
http://www.allabouttruth.org/Bible-Prophecy.htm
 
No other book, religious or secular, comes close to meeting those requirements.
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« Reply #2053 on: 16 June 2017, 0:31:25 AM »

You have posted this often before.
Here are some links to sites that reveal biblical inaccuracies:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html

http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/The-Problem-of-the-Bible-Inaccuracies-contradictions-fallacies-scientific-issues-and-more-20120517

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_contradictions

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-scientific-errors-in-the-Bible

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« Reply #2054 on: 16 June 2017, 4:37:42 AM »


You will find answers to these sick, childish, foolish, erroneous, pathetic, twisted, perverted attempts to distort the true meaning of Scripture here:
http://www.berenddeboer.net/sab/index.html
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_book.html
http://creation.com/skeptics-bible-errors
http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/bible.htm
http://defendinginerrancy.com/bible-difficulties/



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